COUNTY SOVEREIGNTY No. 5 1996 October 28[new address] Just one article also this time and also dealing with the next world religion. Argues that Objectivism, the philosophical viewpoint started by Ayn Rand, needs to be improved and, among many other things, that special attention be given to *institutional design*. I beat a drum once again for county sovereignty and also raise the issue of citizenship. Thought to ponder: if Objectivism is to be the religion or world view of the global elite, will it not strive for world hegemony instead of county sovereignty? Not if they are wise, for a world government could cease to be laissez-faire and impose taxes from which there is no escape. A good deal of the discussion gets into technical philosophical issues, but that's what Objectivism is all about. MENDING BETTER THAN ENDING by Frank Forman 1996 October 28 The allusion is to Aldous Huxley's _Brave New World_, where the government (running an imagined workable socialist economy!) pursued a macroeconomic consumption policy of stimulating aggregate demand with the slogan, "Ending is better than Mending." That was the attitude I had taken toward Objectivism and deployed all manner of argument, rhetoric, and satire in arguing for its shortcomings. After much thought, I have reversed myself and apologize to those I unnecessarily insulted. I have concluded that Objectivism can be mended and that Ayn Rand was the *first* Objectivist and that it is up to her fans and followers to improve on the initial formulation. Anything that will survive, esp. in the realm of human ideas, must adapt. The Founding Mother had, as we all do, limited knowledge in many areas and her initial conclusions need to be refined. We must get to work. I argued a few months ago that Objectivism will become the next world religion. (Send me an e-mail to get it the article.) I mean here that Objectivism is a belief system that requires a certain "leap of faith." The most important is the leap across the is-ought divide. We just do not know enough about psychology to say that the Objectivists virtues are universal for everyone. They are *good enough*, however, for those with strong characters who want to get on with their lives and not worry about arcane ethical dilemmas. I. TWO GREAT SYSTEM BUILDERS Jimbo Wales had the contumelious temerity and consummate gall to violate the most sacred of UseNet traditions and give a direct answer to a question, in this case what the main achievements of Ayn Rand were. It was part of an ongoing discussion of why Ayn Rand is so unpopular in academia. One answer is that our culture is so drenched in altruism that her emphatic egoism is taboo. (But the whole large field of "rational choice theory," which cuts across several disciplines, belies this.) Another answer is that she said nothing new, the immediate question that Jimbo responded to. But I think that her analyses were too brief, left too much unexplained, let too many ambiguities hang in the air, engaged too little with the arguments of other philosophers. (That most philosophers think she got Immanuel Kant's ideas hopelessly wrong does not endear her to the scholarly.) This is the stuff academia delights in, and until her fans and followers build up a body of argumentation up to the standards of professional philosophers, she will continue to be mostly ignored. Another reason is that both are generalists and do not fit into any recognized specialty. Academia is highly bureaucratic. But a larger reason is that she was one of the twentieth century's great philosophical system builders, the other one being Mario Bunge, who is also generally ignored. Bunge has had two Festschrifts devoted to his works; so he has had more academic attention paid to him than Ayn Rand has had, but then Bunge's writings are far more exact than Miss Rand's. Yet so many of the authors of essays in these Festschrifts are just unable to grasp what the merits of *having a system* are.^ The advantage is this: many arguments in philosophy (and in life generally) go on interminably because many of our ideas are still only approximate. Debaters argue past each other because they are referring to different ideas, many of whose ambiguities stem from the ambiguities of ordinary language. But if an idea or statement fits in quite coherently with a *system* of other ideas, I will adopt the idea if I find the system to be a sound one, until and unless a rival idea fits as well into a sounder system. Philosophy should undergo paradigm shifts just like scientific theories do; unfortunately, philosophers just spin their wheels. So when Bunge gets around to an offhand remark about Immanuel Kant on page 197 of the *fifth* volume of his great _Treatise on Basic Philosophy_, I understand him perfectly and rejoice in the succinctness of his treatment: "Recall that Kant had managed to put together the negative aspects of empiricism and rationalism, by holding that we can have no experience without certain a priori intuitions, that things conform to human thought rather than the other way round, yet we can know only phenomena, not things in themselves--all of which is out of tune with the realistic epistemology inherent in modern science and technology." Taken out of context, his statement is merely gratuitous and insulting. Kept in the context of his stupendous and largely successful efforts to define, describe, and defend this realistic epistemology inherent in modern science and technology, it is at once obvious and profound. ^[Let me add that Bunge himself, and a great many other otherwise distinguished thinkers, is unable to grasp the difference between a constitution and the laws enacted thereunder: he (and they) just have ideas about what a government ought or ought not to be doing and have no concern with institutional design. Most Objectivists fail to really understand the distinction either.] As with Bunge, so with Ayn Rand and her own system. Future Objectivists should learn the background math and science to understand Bunge and proceed to use his ideas to refine and develop Objectivism. What makes Objectivism distinct from Bunge's work is not at all any great difference in commitment to objectivity but that Ayn Rand extended metaphysics and epistemology to develop ethics and political philosophy.^ ^[The last volume of Bunge's _Treatise_, _The Good and the Right_, is a sad, sad disappointment and the work of a dinosaur liberal, not a system builder. In fact, Ayn Rand had her ethics and political philosophy in place before she undergirded it with metaphysics and epistemology. Bunge's politics were always there, too, but his work in philosophy was independent of them. Hence the continuity in Ayn Rand and its absence in Bunge.] II. AYN RAND'S ACHIEVEMENTS On, then, with Jimbo's condensation of Ayn Rand's principal achievements, which he assimilated from David Kelley's _Truth and Toleration_ and posted to humanities.philosophy.objectivism on October 27. 1. Metaphysics --Rand's view of reality as objective, with the principle of the primacy of existence stated explicitly, new formulations of the laws of identity and causality that solve some age-old problems 2. Epistemology --Her concept of objectivity, and her rejection of the false dichotomy of intrinsicism and subjectivism --reason as the faculty of concepts, and her view of concepts as a mental integration of particulars on the basis of their similarities --reason as a volitional faculty; Ayn Rand's distinctive view of free will 3. Ethics --values as rooted in life, her solution to the is-ought problem --the virtue of independence --the role of productive work as central to human life --her explicit rejection of altruism and the mind-body dichotomy (and her unique arguments against both) 4. Politics --political individualism and rights on an egoist foundation --the view that rights can only be violated by force And finally, the integration of all these ideas into a full philosophical _system_. ------------ Let's look at these one by one: "1. Metaphysics "--Rand's view of reality as objective, with the principle of the primacy of existence stated explicitly, new formulations of the laws of identity and causality that solve some age-old problems Mario Bunge explicitly and most scientists implicitly view reality as objective, but there certainly are *philosophers* who think that consciousness is what we have primarily and the world secondarily. This is so much foolishness, for I know of no philosopher who does not think there were events happening before he was born and, indeed, before there was any life. I don't know whether Ayn Rand was the first to state explicitly the primacy of existence. I am not sure what was new about her formulation of the Law of Identity ("A is A"), but a full-blown ontology must state quite a lot more about "the furniture of the world," the title of the third volume of Mario Bunge's _Treatise on Basic Philosophy_. As far as I can tell, "A is A," if not a truth of logic is a statement about the world, meaning that for every property, P, and every thing, a, either P(a) or not- P(a), which is an explicit postulate of Bunge's. A much deeper postulate of his, quite consistent with Ayn Rand's ideas, is that properties are all positive, though out statements about them need not be. Thus, saying "a neutron is not charged" means that neutrons do not have the property of being charged, not that neutrons have the property of "not being charged," let alone the property of being "anti-charged." In addition, we cannot in general form "or" properties randomly, meaning we cannot speak of the property of "being charged OR slouching toward Bethlehem." However, another postulate says that if two properties are compatible (if some thing satisfies them both), then there is an "and" property. So if there is an animal that is black, there is the property of being a black animal. All this rigor is necessary if we are to proceed in elucidating further concepts, such as (scientific) laws and law statements, lawful states of things, lawful changes of states, and then at last, on page 276, start getting into spacetime and causation. Much of the confusion of what Ayn Rand wrote, on causality but on other matters as well, stems from the ambiguity of the verb "to be." So when she says something *is* so and so, it is not always clear whether she is proposing a definition or making a direct statement of fact. Her notion of a *true* definition as one that has maximum explanatory power is an important one, hinted at by the great Charles Peirce but never elucidated by him as far as I know. Alas, many, if not most, of our definitions fall short of this ideal. "2. Epistemology --Her concept of objectivity, and her rejection of the false dichotomy of intrinsicism and subjectivism I don't know how her concept of objectivity differs from that of working scientists implicitly and Bunge explicitly, but her triad of objectivity, intrinsicism, and subjectivism is extremely important. If only her followers would not toss these words about so loosely when attacking those they disagree with! Again, these are concepts need to be nailed down by the axiomatic method. "--reason as the faculty of concepts, and her view of concepts as a mental integration of particulars on the basis of their similarities There is a whole school of philosophers, called conceptualists (when dealing with the problem of universals), that wrote long before Ayn Rand did, among them Locke, Berkeley, and Hume. (I am relying on the _Encyclopedia of Philosophy_, s.v. "Universals," here and am not sure if Ayn Rand belongs to this school.) In any case, Mario Bunge's solution is to distinguish conceptual universals pertaining to just our concepts and substantial universals in the world. P is a substantial universal in T if the *scope* of P (which is the *set* of things, a, satisfying P) is T. Bunge points out that ancient and medieval disputes over universals considered only conceptual universals, not substantial individuals. Bunge's split is not the analytic-synthetic one, and is a topic that the rising generation of Objectivists should consider in detail. What is really remarkable is how much agreement there is between the Master's rigorous development and thie Mistress' more intuitive one. "--reason as a volitional faculty; Ayn Rand's distinctive view of free will I doubt that anyone who believe in volition at all thinks reasoning is not subject to the will! But her view of free will, I am afraid, is no more adequate than anyone else's and will not be until we understand far, far more about neurology than we do at present. Bunge was not successful either: he did not go very far beyond just saying that volition is a process taking place in material things, something no Objectivist would dispute. "3. Ethics "--values as rooted in life, her solution to the is-ought problem Here I must say that either her derivation is trivial (in order to value you must remain alive) or else implicitly incorporates an unwritten Objectivist Psychology. What is really distinctive about her ethics is that she has given one appropriate to the age of capitalism, or certainly one that had not been articulated before. Hers is a theory of virtue or aspiration, rather than one of a bunch of rules to follow (deontology) or some form of other- regardingness such as utilitarianism. Virtue was tossed out of ethics along with Christianity, which had kept it going in the Middle Ages, though with a different set of virtues than the Greeks emphasized. She well may have been the first philosopher to reach back to the Greeks and put virtue back into ethics. It is certainly an active topic today, along with "rational choice theory." More than anything else, Objectivists should expand on her ideas regarding the psychology of the virtues. "--the virtue of independence Yes, yes. I wonder often whether those who adopt Objectivism do not have highly independent personalities to begin with. An informal survey on the Internet I conducted using the Myer-Briggs personality test says that most Objectivists, whether construed narrowly or broadly enough to include Mario Bunge as well as myself, have the INTJ (Introverted-iNtruitive- Thinking-Judging) personality type, which is the most independent of them all and the one best characterized as that possessed by scientists. "--the role of productive work as central to human life This is a new virtue indeed. More interesting is that she would not reject the ancient virtues of prudence, courage, temperance, and justice, just put less emphasis on at least the first three. What she would think of the three "theological" virtues, faith, hope, and charity is not as obvious as it seems. "Faith" could just mean a certain presumption of trust in one's fellow man along the lines with her "benevolent universe principle". So also with hope and charity. Where she clearly stands out is in reversing one of the seven cardinal sins, namely pride. In any case, she has taken the Protestantism out of the Protestant work ethic. "--her explicit rejection of altruism and the mind-body dichotomy (and her unique arguments against both) Her concept of altruism needs a work over, but I find more remarkable than her simple rejection of a mind- body dichotomy, which goes without saying for anyone who thinks the world is made up (but not reducible to) material things, is her idea of romantic love. I would like to see it developed as an aspect of a philosophy of *aspiration* than one of just rules. There is some evidence that we are somewhat altruistic by nature in a way that cannot be accounted for in a sociobiology that is based on selfish-gene dogma. (I'll e-mail my piece, "Welfare Bums among the Lions," to any one asking for it.) Alas, there are horrendous semantic problems here. I am not sure how discussion of ethics could be bettered by the use of the axiomatic method, though. "4. Politics "--political individualism and rights on an egoist foundation Original, though incomplete. Even so valiant a free- marketeer as Henry Hazlitt, in _Foundations of Morality_, which appeared not too long after _Atlas Shrugged_ (1957) spoke of ethical egoism only briefly, just to say that hardly anyone espoused it. Now, it seems all over the place in "rational choice theory," but selfishness in this theory includes violating individual rights. "--the view that rights can only be violated by force This would follow from her definition of rights, but whether this is the *true* definition needs much more work and will have to rely inductively on an Objectivist psychology that is still in the background. "And finally, the integration of all these ideas into a full philosophical _system_." Yes indeed! Jimbo left out any further statements about her political philosophy, which mostly would follow from her theory of rights, but there are certain aspects of a social contract--she explicitly says that government must rest on the consent of the governed--that need much more focusing on. They imply a certain amount of altruism, or at least the willingness for *oneself* to pay the price of liberty, which is eternal vigilance. This leads to the most serious omission in Objectivist thinking, that of citizenship. The willingness to pay the price of liberty is certainly under the control of the will, but it is also affect by hereditary factors that go into shaping personalities. My own theory is that England was the birthplace of liberty because of genetic selective factors: England is an island that has been repeatedly invaded (Romans, Celts, Anglo- Saxons, Danes, Normans); invaders have the entrepreneurial spirit of searching for and finding opportunities to invade; entrepreneurs have strongly independent personalities because they are always attempting something new; when raiders settle down, they become traders; these settled independent men demand to be let alone. And thus by a selective process, England was the first country to have a critical mass of individualists necessary to move their whole society in the direction of liberty. Later immigrants, who came to reap the advantages that a free society confers on its members, do not themselves have to have as much of the entrepreneurial spirit as those who first seized freedom for themselves. They themselves will be more liberty- loving than those who still remain behind in their less free countries, but the *children* of the later immigrants will regress back toward the population mean of the countries they came from. So the average innate predisposition of a population that has added later immigrants that are less than eternally vigilant will decline. Even bringing this matter up smacks of that anti-concept "racism," which Ayn Rand called the "lowest form of collectivism," but this sort of concern about genetic quality does not contradict her essay on racism, if that essay is read carefully. Beyond this question of who should be made citizens, followers and admirers of Ayn Rand have spent very little time on institutional design, most especially the question of federalism. The talk is mostly about "this is how I, or Objectivism (reified to a thing!), wants the world to be," rather than with designing institutions that are most likely to effect those desires. Thus, I am broadly in favor of County Sovereignty and will not have higher levels of government prevent the residents of counties do a great number of thing that are appalling by Objectivist standards (welfare state (county!), si; warfare county, no). Counties cannot do much damage beyond the cost of moving out (and Americans move every five years anyhow). It is a very small price to pay for the not at all unrealistic prospect that the spirit of liberty will decline and damage imposed on a nation-wide scale. We retain free will as always and must insure against it, and insurance is not free. -----------end of comments on the major achievements of the first formulation of Objectivism III. A NEW DEFINITION OF RIGHTS Here comes my response to a response to a new definition of rights I have propounded that I think articulates in a consistent fashion the (meta)ethical egoism of the Founding Mother. This starts as a conversation between David Friedman and me on October 25, to which I add new comments. Me in the first place: Rather, a definition of rights should read "I have a right if it would not be against *my* long-term interest to use force in *retaliation* against your forceful invasion of that right." How does this sound to you, David and Jimbo? David's reply: It doesn't solve the problem I am offering. Having redefined "rights" in that way, I then ask the question that Jimbo, on his definition of rights, correctly regards as misstated: "In a situation where you can benefit yourself by violating rights, for example by stealing a very large sum of money with very little chance of being detected, should you do so?" Frank now: We had been discussing what I called the Problem of the Prudent Predator, or more particularly situations of the sort David gave. An egoist must be consider only secondarily the damage his actions do to others. But he should refrain from stealing if doing so damages *his* character. According to the unarticulated Objectivist Psychology, yes it would. Jimbo has pressed the issue deeper and has said his own character is such that he *would not* and *could not* yield to temptation. He says he is very glad to have this character, and I gather that he estimates that such temptations to steal a million dollars (not the figure used in this example but one that does get used in many other cases) will be so few as to be negligible. But not everyone is blessed with Jimbo's genetic parents and perhaps his upbringing, as well as whatever decisions he made to cultivate his character. (The youthful George Washington did character exercises every day.) An egoist ethics must *also* answer what others with personalities quite different from Jimob's should do if given an opportunity to steal a million dollars and get away with it at little risk. Changing one's character becomes harder and harder as one gets older (as Aristotle observed). Besides the opportunity to steal the Megabuck will probably long be gone by the time one has developed a character much like Jimbo's. IV. DIGRESSION ON SUCCESSFUL PRUDENT PREDATORS In fact, there are hundreds of thousands of people who *have* appropriated a million dollars in this country. I am speaking, of course, of the lifetime income of mid- and upper-level government bureaucrats. I can testify that the psychological condition of them is not exemplary: the D.C. area has the highest rate of alcoholism in the country and the highest rate of consulting psychiatrists (yes, even higher than Woody Allen's New York). From my experience, I would group them into several types: 1. Those who think they are genuinely doing good. This is the largest category. 2. Those who think that their organization is doing good, but that they are more or less superfluous and are sorry about it ("Too much bureaucracy"). This is the second largest category. 3. Burnt out 2s who regard themselves as superfluous and are cynical about it but still approve of their agency's mission ("I'm just in it for me"). 4. Burnt further out 2s who are so cynical that they do not care whether they are superfluous. 5. Those who are more cynical yet and do not care whether their agency is on the whole doing good. Most of these are burn-outs; here is where the power-hungry types, who were probably that way before they came to work for the government, fit in. 6. Those who realize that their agency is doing harm and try to reform it from within (lots of them came in with Reagan--I'm speaking of the Federal government now). 7. Reformers who are burnt out. 8. The total cynics, like Fred Kinnon in _Atlas Shrugged_ (never say Ayn Rand had no sense of humor), fully understand that their agency is doing harm and try to increase their power. These are very, very few, as Kinnon was unique in _Atlas Shrugged_. This is the second smallest category. 9. The malicious. Fewer than _Atlas Shrugged_ would have you believe. I think it is the smallest category, for the world of _Atlas Shrugged_ has not come about. Of course there is a tremendous amount of blanking out. I can testify to all this because I myself am one of these prudent predators, somewhere between a 6 and a 7. I cannot say one way or the other what the net psychological damage has been. I shall have gone through life without really knowing the feeling of being productive. On the other hand, the work is not too demanding--those who do no work at all are almost always just parked in a corner and ignored--and so I have been able to do an incredible amount of reading in a vast variety of fields. It has resulted in a book, _The Metaphysics of Liberty_, which was almost totally ignored by the same academia that ignores Ayn Rand and Mario Bunge. It may result in further and better syntheses. I will be proud of them, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. I don't think I would have come up with the ideas I have had I become a college professor, which is what I most wanted to do. I would have had to have worked much harder meeting the requirements of being a professor than getting by in the bureaucracy. I also cannot say how much guilt I have suffered; it varies too much with my mood. The upshot is that I do not know whether my Prudent Predation has paid off. (Had Betsy Speicher been my mother, the answer would be no!) V. BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF RIGHTS I am not sure that the apparent hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of government predators are really paying too high a price. There is the fact that the risk of alcoholism and other disorders is greater in the D.C. area than the rest of the nation. And the level of cynicism I observe is not a good sign that being a government predator is worth it. However this may be, those who directly and coercively violate rights certainly pay a higher price psychologically. In this sense, it is more likely to be the case that it is not in one's long-run interest to violate rights. To answer David's specific question ("In a situation where you can benefit yourself by violating rights, for example by stealing a very large sum of money with very little chance of being detected, should you do so?") by saying that I do not know and definitely not in every possible case. But what are these "rights"? What does the concept mean? It does *not* pertain to every activity of mine that is involved with you. If I mooch of off you, or otherwise live the life of a second-hander, I am also harming myself. (In some ways, _The Fountainhead_ was a psychologically more penetrating book than _Atlas Shrugged_.) But you have no "right" not to be mooched off of, at least by any ordinary understanding of the term. What this boils down to is that you have no "right" to take back what I have mooched off of you. You should chalk it up to experience, refuse to deal with me again, bad-mouth me maybe. Again, there is that word "right." What can this now mean in a (meta)ethical egoist context? Only that you would harm yourself if you *did* forcefully take back what was only mooched of you. Thus my definition, which I repeat: "I have a right if it would not be against *my* long-term interest to use force in *retaliation* against your forceful invasion of that right." Alas, the definition is now so convoluted that a fundamental question arises: "What is so magical about the initiation of force that demarcates having a right (to retrieve stolen property) from not having one (to retrieve things mooched)? *That* resorting to force renders *your* use of *your* rational faculties--the answer trotted out by Ayn Rand's followers but I am not so sure about how much she depended on this line of reasoning herself--is not by itself a wholly satisfactory answer. We need to explicate the underlying Objectivist Psychology. Solving this problem will be a big plus, for then we shall almost certainly have the answers to other problems that have been vexing Objectivists. Here's why: we already have enough intuitive understanding that the punishment should fit the crime: it would harm the *retaliators* to inflict disproportionate punishment (*and* to be too lenient, but that's a much more complicated issue). But if we gain enough knowledge about why the initiation of force is the great divide, we shall probably also have gained enough knowledge to understand why we should delegate retaliation to governments. The reason Ayn Rand gave, in "The Nature of Government," is that individuals cannot be relied upon to prosecute rights violations objectively. Thus, by ethical egoism, it would have to be the case that I would harm *myself* by taking vengeance into my own hands. This has not been argued for yet, but it is at least arguable, but an *explicit* Objectivist Psychology needs to be developed first. We will also be ready to solve a conundrum that has been the subject of horrendous blank outs by Objectivists, namely negative externalities such as pollution. The Mistress opined that nineteenth century nuisance laws sufficed to deal with such matters. But neither she nor anyone else (as far as I know) ever went into the details. Now 1957 was not only the year that _Atlas Shrugged_ appeared; it was also the year that the notion of information costs was first introduced into economics, namely by Anthony Downs in _An Economic Theory of Democracy_ (NY: Harper and Row). Without going into this now thriving branch of economic theory in elaborate detail, let me just say that the cost of acquiring information about how to adjudicate nuisance laws in an optimal fashion is extremely high. It would be better to have the voters decide on their desired levels of pollution and set up auctions for pollution rights. Of course, this solution is no Platonicly ideal one, either, simply a better one. Now, Miss Rand said that a rational man would allow the government to invade his rights by arresting him for crimes he did not in fact commit but which the government had good grounds for suspecting him. She gave a utilitarian argument, but it needs to be completed with one saying that it does *my* character any good to have such a malevolent universe premise as to be a pig-headed anarchist (or--as I would convolutely formulate it--it does *your* character no harm to impose the prospect of arrest on *me*, provided that the laws and police procedures are reasonably objective.) If this argument can be made-- it is intuitively apparent to me--a further argument can be plausibly made that rational men would allow a rational government to set up an auction for pollution rights that will be *more* open and objective than the way we find judges carrying on in practice as they administer nuisance laws. Rational men would also empower their counties to empower their states to regulate levels and run auctions. (The states could then, in turn, similarly empower the country and the countries wider units still: this layering should stave off silly regulations.) VI. SOME ASTUTE PSYCHOLOGICAL REASONING ALREADY I close this with reproducing a posting from Jimbo from October 23. It speaks for itself. David Friedman wrote: >Jimbo finally comes in to add something interesting to the discussion, >linking this thread with the thread on morality as a commitment strategy >(i.e. Robert Frank et. al.). Finally? Hmph. >Perhaps you are correct that Meaghan, having succeeded in making herself >into a good and decent person in the correct belief that doing so will, on >average, maximize her chances for life and happiness, will find herself >psychologically unable to murder her fellow passenger and will die as a >result--from what I have seen her, it wouldn't surprise me. But suppose she >hasn't been quite that successful in molding herself, at the point when she >happens to get shipwrecked. This is a view of human nature that I think is exactly backwards. The view appears to be that people are _naturally inclined_ to be vicious murderers, psychological monsters, but through some heroic effect manage to mold themselves into reasonably decent people in order to achieve the potential gains from trade to be had. Actually, I think if there is any 'molding' involved, then for the vast majority of people, it is in the other direction. I think that people are rather more naturally inclined to *not* want to kill other people, such that it takes very special training (like that imposed in the Marines, or what have you) for most people to be able to do it. >Does it not follow from the Objectivist >position that at that point, if she can shoot her fellow passenger, she >should? Let's leave Meaghan out of this, what say? I have always said that it is possible to come up with extreme situations in which there is no pleasant outcome, and that such situations are not particularly helpful in understanding ethics. As I said last week, I will always do exactly what is in my own self-interest. In some extremely rare "lifeboat" cases, this may make me dangerous to you. Basically, what I'm saying is that you don't want to get into a lifeboat with me, if you are a total stranger or a person I don't really like. >It will, of course, make it psychologically harder for her to >finish the job of making herself into a good and decent person, which will >worsen her prospects for life and happiness--but they will still be well >above dying of thirst. Yeah, sucks, doesn't it. It is a good idea to make advance preparations so that you don't wind up in such situations! I'd say that to make a really *good* hard case in which there is no moral culpability, you have to have something like a powerful but irrational dictator who plucks you and another person at random from the streets, arms you both to the teeth, and puts you in a room with orders to fight to the death. Somehow you would have to have realistic assurance that fighting actually *would* save you life, and that's not the sort of thing readily obtained from crazed dictators. Outside of that sort of rather ludicrous example, there are other questions which come to mind, such as _what the heck were you doing on the lifeboat in the first place_. The earth is not a bad place to live, and you should take actions to prevent getting yourself into such a tight spot where you have to either die, or kill an innocent person and subsequently deal with the psychological trauma. ---- My answer to the "prudent predator" question is that living in such a fashion necessitates a certain inauthenticity which cuts you off from the many possibilities for valuable interaction with others on an emotional and psychological level. Your further questions, it seems to me, inquire about the possibility of a "prudent psychopath" who finds it more convenient to kill than to not kill. In ordinary society, such people should be locked up, if possible, before they hurt someone. >A similar issue arises from the hawk/dove analysis that I offered in the >other thread. In equilibrium in a reasonably free society, lots of people >follow the "virtuous" strategy, a few people follow the "hypocrite" >strategy, and on the margin the payoff is the same to both. How does my discussion of internal psychological problems resulting from the hypocritical strategy affect the analysis? (This is a serious game-theory question, not a rhetorical question.) >Suppose you are >better qualified for hypocrisy than the marginal hypocrite--a good actor, >with real talents for fooling people into thinking you are good and decent. >Should you do it? Are you claiming that the real world is a corner solution >in which nobody is in this position? Yes, I believe that's exactly what I'm claiming. The only exceptions I can think of would be people with mental illness to such a degree that even judging them by normal standards would be a mistake. VII. FRANK IN CONCLUSION Objectivism has many, many tasks ahead, but keep one thing in mind: in the end, we have to get on with the business of living. We are unlikely to discover all the principles for an Objectivist Psychology any time soon. Besides the psychology itself, we also need a rudimentary guide to when to get on with it. And we can adopt one attitude Ayn Rand bespoke, that America was going to Hell in a handbasket and that the number of rational men in this country was extremely small. Or we can adopt her other attitude that America is the greatest country on Earth and is incomparably superior to the country she fled from. A certain inconsistency here, a difference of moods, maybe. But the latter attitude better bespeaks the benevolent universe premise and is also more in line with the facts. So cheer up and buckle down to the hard work involved in mending the philosophy the First Objectivist laid down.