WELFARE BUMS AMONG THE LIONS by Frank Forman1996 May 18 Will an animal do something that is costly to itself and a benefit to others? The answer from ethologists and sociobiologists has been no, since animals carrying altruistic genes would reproduce less as a result of their altruism. Humans, it is said, are the only animals that can practice genuine altruism. Animals can cooperate with one another, however, and biologists who have used game theory to model repeated interaction among animals in situations where there are incentives to cheat have explained how such cooperation might emerge. The strategy they often come up with for an animal to adopt--it depends on the exact details of the situation at hand--is the rule of "Tit-for-Tat": I'll cooperate this time, but if you cheat, I'll cheat and keep cheating until you once again cooperate. But there is no altruism here: no animal repeatedly plays the sucker. All this is good theory, though real examples in the field have been hard to actually document. Comes along now a study by Robert Heinsohn and Craig Packer of lions in the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania which shows that, to the contrary, lionhearts actually do play the sucker to cowardly lions.^ [^Robert Heinsohn and Craig Packer, "Complex Cooperative Strategies in Group-Territorial African Lions," _Science_, 1995 September 1, pp. 1260-2. A lay overview is provided by Virginia Morell, "Cowardly Lions Confound Cooperation Theory," ibid., p. 1216f. I'm cribbing from the latter below.] Here's the gist of the experiment: Lions band together in order to protect their young from the infanticidal attacks of strange male lions and sometimes pair off to defend their territory against strange females. Heinsohn and Packer staged mock invasions of lion territory by playing taped recordings of the roars of strange females in experiments with eight resident prides. The dilemma is very much like the oft- cited Prisoners' dilemma and goes like this: the cost of being the first lion of the pair to go fight the invader is very high, as she is more likely to be killed. But without protecting the pride's territory from invaders, a female lion has little chance of raising her cubs and so loses the chance to pass her genes on to the next generation--the bottom line of evolutionary success. But the researchers discovered that when it came to interactions between the lionhearted leaders and the cowardly laggards, the lionesses did not bear those costs equally. Paired leaders typically advanced boldly together, but the showdown walk was longer and much more hesitant when leaders were matched with laggards. The leaders, advancing first, would constantly glance back, as if to say, "Well, where the Hell are you?" Nevertheless, the leaders never punished the laggard by holding back herself (invoking the Tit-for-Tat strategy), thus confounding the theories biologists had been holding. The data in the articles were not such that I could calculate how much genetic resources were altruistically given by the brave lions to the welfare bums, but I should not be surprised if it were not far from the rule of Gordon Tullock for humans, namely that people in either their private capacity or through their representatives in government will transfer about five percent of their income to help the poor. But whatever the percentage for lions, humans are no longer an exception when it comes to altruism. I wait impatiently for research on other social mammals and social species in other classes. Biologists have a huge explaining job to do, and this explanation is likely to take the form of revival of the idea of *group selection*, that the genes for traits that boost the survival of some groups relative to others in a population can become more prevalent in the population. But since genes are carried by individual organisms and do not float around in some sort of liquid gene "pool," there is the problem, mentioned in the first paragraph, that there will be fewer and fewer genes for altruism, since the altruistic animals under-reproduce.^ [^See two articles by Bruce Bower, "Return of the Group" and "Ultrasocial Darwinism," in _Science News_, 1995 November 18 and 25, resp.] What is being proposed is that selection for both genes and groups (and also individual organisms as Darwin thought) can take place at the same time, meaning that there is no "the" unit of selection. Indeed, a section of an issue of _Behavioral and Brain Sciences_ in 1994 was given over, in the standard fashion of that prestigious journal, to a major article on the subject, together with dozens of comments by other scientists. I have not seen that issue and so cannot comment on it, though I presume much arguing will be over the extent of group selection. It may only take a small amount of it to have large, long run effects. In fact, molecular biologists are quite good at explaining micro-evolution at the gene level but are unable to account for what Darwin tried to do, namely the origin (macro-evolution) of species. Alas, the group selectionists never really gave up, as you can read in John Brockman's superb anthology of scientists he got talking about one another, _The Third Culture_^. [^John Brockman, _The third Culture: Scientists on the Edge: Beyond the Scientific Revolution (NY: Simon & Schuster, 1995). The book includes scientists from many fields and is enthusiastically recommended.] But the whole idea of "the" unit of selection was in fact wrong from the beginning. And so is the very widespread idea that "the survival of the fittest" is but an empty tautology meaning merely that "that which survives survives." The error goes to the heart of the idea of what a scientific theory is and thus shows how philosophy can be of real help in not only clearing up needless confusion but in avoiding ideas like "selfish" genes are the sole units of selection in the first place. I am taking on some mighty big names here (Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett are the best known), but I rush in anyhow, armed with a little-known article by Mary B. Williams.^ [^Mary B. Williams, "The Logical Status of the Theory of Natural Selection and Other Evolutionary Controversies," pp. 84-102 of Mario Bunge, ed., _The Methodological Unity of Science_ (Dordrecht, Holland: D. Reidel, 1973). Bunge is my great hero, and that's how I found the article.] She points out what we should all realize, namely that a scientific theory, as a piece of pure mathematics, needs to be hooked up by way of semantic assumptions (sometimes called "correspondence rules") with the parts of the world the theory is supposed to be accounting for. But, "the fundamental cause of the problems associated with these attempts is the acceptance, essentially by all biologists, of the metaphysical doctrine that all words used in a scientific theory should be defined" (p. 88). So when the biologist I.M. Lerner in 1959, for example, states that "fitness of an individual, in the context of the natural selection principle, can mean *only* that extent to which the organism is represented by descendants in succeeding generations," he "makes no reference to the fact that fitness is a property of the relationship between the organism and its environment; it states by omission that the environment is irrelevant to fitness. It is not surprising that acceptance of this definition has led to statements that the theory is vacuous" (p. 90). Mary Williams herself takes "fitness" as *undefined* in the theory proper and gives a bunch of derived definitions and axioms and winds up with the grand axiom about the survival of the fittest, which you need not study here and now but instead "sit bolt upright in hard chair," as my professor said, and study the whole paper: "In every generation m of a Darwinian subclan D which is not on the verge of extinction, there is a sub-subclan D1 such that: D1 is superior to the rest of D for long enough to ensure that D1 will increase relative to D; and as long as D contains biological entities that are not in D1, D1 retains sufficient superiority to ensure further increases relative to D" (p. 88).^ ^[She says this axiom really means differential reproduction or, as she puts it "expansion of the fitter sub-subclan," which is more accurate "survival of the fittest" per se. Her statement is actually an *informal* definition, as this article goes to the philosophical implications, the full formal presentation using the language of set theory having been explicated in _Journal of Theoretical Biology_ 29 (1970): 434-385.] But biologists still need to put *something* on display as the targets of selection, and she drags out authorities who champion the organism, the gene, the chromosome, and the population in turn. She concludes that there is no good reason to presuppose that only one level of operative selection need take place. The grand axiom she gave can, at least theoretically, operate on all these levels. Let's hope that they in fact do, even if selection at the level of the organism or species is comparatively weak compared to selection at the gene level. Recall that gravity is an extremely weak force compared to the weak atomic-electromagnetic force and the strong atomic force but that it is gravity that accounts for the large scale features of the universe. And so I suspect that it is weak selection forces that account for the grand structure of evolution we see when we admire the huge Column of Life in National Museum of Natural History on the Mall in Washington. The implication of all this for the general subject at hand is that altruism is indeed possible and that there is no need to explain away the subsidization of welfare bums among the lions in a Tanzanian park or to make the second most trite form of human wisdom, namely that everyone is out for power for himself. Given the plausible assumption that emotions in humans have coevolved with their altruistic behavior, a certain amount of it--the Tullock five percent rule, say--is indeed among what the great David Hume called "natural sentiments," and which form the foundation of our actual, practiced morality (as opposed to theoretical derivations on the part of philosophers, who argue against one another interminably anyhow). Advice: follow your natural sentiments and reject both the extreme forms of anti-altruism as represented by the Objectivism of Ayn Rand and the extremes in the other direction of egalitarianism, which is a morality racket that preys upon altruistic sentiments. And so the ancient Hebrews may have had it exactly right, when they said: The earth from God we do but rent, And all he asks is ten percent. Half of it went to the poor, in accordance with Tullock's rule, and the other half for administration by priests. ------------- This is being composed in WordPerfect. So the chevrons (>) designate me last time, JIMBO is Jimbo's reply, and FRANK NOW is just that. I excised a fair amount of stuff to concentrate on the real matters at hand. Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:18:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jimmy -Jimbo- Wales Subject: Re: Welfare Bums among the Lions Frank Forman wrote: > I am beginning to think that no one understands the Objectivist meaning > of altruism. One definition is to sacrifice a higher value for a lower > value. But we are also told that a value is "that which one ACTS to gain > and/or keep." But if our values are evidenced by our actions, then it is > not possible to sacrifice a higher value for a lower value. JIMBO: It is frequently the case that one word will have two or more related meanings. This *can* be a problem, particularly for poor writers, but a skilled writer is always careful to use words _in context_ so as to alleviate any possibility of confusion. In the hands of a skilled writer, these words with multiple meanings can permit a great expressive elegance. Fortunately, Ayn Rand was not just a *good* writer, she was a *great* writer. FRANK NOW: We--seemingly everyone on this discussion group!--spend an awfully large amount of time wrangling over what Ayn Rand meant. I'll illustrate below. JIMBO: The word 'value' can be used in two ways. First, it can denote anything that happens to be valued. If you value hot pokers in your eyes, then in one sense, pokers are valuable to you... meaning that you will act to gain and/or keep them there. But in other sense, the sense of 'objective value', hot pokers in the eyes are an extreme disvalue -- they hurt like hell, make you blind, etc.! Altruism, qua *moral* theory (and therefore quite different from the apparent 'biological altruism' of some animals), is the theory that you ought to, at least in some cases, sacrifice something that is of a higher _objective_ value to you (i.e. actually valuable, not just something that you happen to value, perhaps unwisely) for the sake of something that is of a _lower_ _objective_ value to you. The vast majority of ethical theories throughout history have been _altruistic_ in precisely this sense. FRANK NOW: More generally, *all* moral theories command you to go against your inclinations. Rational egoism is no exception: you should look after your *long-term* interests. Ben Franklin's Poor Richard was very much a rational egoist, although I cannot say Poor Richard never commanded that you give to the poor, even though they are of lesser value to you. His maxims were mostly about building good character: honesty, frugality, diligence, and so on. He was concerned mostly with these 'small' virtues and not with the 'large' ones like courage. I don't think Ayn Rand ever mentioned Poor Richard, since his wisdom, in her day and still even in mine, was taught mostly to youngsters. Miss Rand, of course, did not come to the United States until she was well past that age. [Stuff from Jimbo about my not getting good responses because my style is too bombastic and cocksure. He may be right, but I think another reason is that my approach often comes from a quite different perspective than that of Objectivism and so sometimes makes absorbing what I say difficult. I think a lot of readers intend to get back to me but keep putting it off. This is procrastination, not evasion. But the biggest problem is that I often use my writing to think things through myself, following the adage of my dissertation direction, "Don't get it right; get it written." Jim is quite right that I am often confused! But it is more with my own emergent thinking than with Objectivism. When I know exactly what I am going to say, I often turn out mellifluous prose.] JIMBO: Here is the essential philosophical answer to your query about benevolence, altruism, etc.: Frank said: > Of course, I have an *intuitive* grasp of the difference between altruism > and benevolence. But I do not have a *philosophical* understanding. I > could give an *ostensive* definition of altruism by naming several of Miss > Rand's fictional characters, starting with Lilian Rearden, but this is > not doing philosophy. JIMBO: Altruistic moral theories posit, in some form or another, that one *ought* to sacrifice some higher value for some lower value. Two thousand or more years of lies have attempted to lead people to the view that the only alternative to altruism is violent hatred of others, etc. But that just isn't true. FRANK: Recall that Ayn Rand asked the question, "Why does man need a [moral] code of values?" Here's the ambiguity: does is mean why does *Frank* need a moral code or why do *men* need a moral code? She seemed to have meant the first, but a good part of "The Objectivist Ethics" is taken up with what happens when *men* do not follow a rational morality. Consider first why *Frank* needs a moral code. One answer is prudence, meaning exercising reason and self-control (Webster's Third International). But this can apply to criminal as well as productive pursuits. The prudent criminal avoids getting caught and does not give into temptation when the chance of apprehension is too great. Prudence requires character development, so Frank's parents would have been well-advised to have seen that he be punctual, complete projects before starting on new ones, and so on. And these good habits must be instilled long before Frank is able to grasp abstract ethical concepts. Observers, at least since Aristotle, have witnesses that getting a child to do many minor acts of courage, say, will enable him to perform great acts of courage as an adult when his character is sorely tested. It would, of course, be very good if parents had access to empirical research on when and how far to push the moral education of particular virtues. Push a virtue too early and at best the parents' efforts are wasted; push too late and the virtue may not take hold. But note that a truly egoist ethics would consider Frank as he is right now, at age 51, with his present mix of good and bad habits. What should he do--indeed, what *can* he do-- about his bad habits? He should be concerned only with the rest of his life and not with what his parents might have done and the bad choices- -small ones repeatedly, usually--he made in directing his own moral education. But when we speak of morals, we ordinarily talk about how children should be brought up. Note the plural word, "children"! Before we go off speaking in terms of moral absolutes, note that there are trade-offs among the virtues: they cannot be simultaneously maximized. When growing up, George Washington, I have it on good authority though I cannot cite a reference, would decide which virtue he would work on that day. What is also the case is that the relative mix of virtues in Washington's time is not the same as it is in ours. Courage was more useful then, applying oneself to academic studies more valued now. Caution is wise in an agricultural society, when continual hard and boring work is a key to success, and also in an age of bureaucracy and Cover Your Ass; entrepreneurship and risk-taking was wise in the heyday of the "Robber Barons" and in the information age that is still emerging (as David Kelley has been pointing out). But I don't want to preach any *excessive* relativism. It may very well be that the heroes in any society are more alike in their character than those of the common man who aims more at (and may be right to so aim at) survival than as leading a life of man *qua* man. [I must add that genetic variability means that Frank's optimal character (vector of virtues in the MORALOCUBE, I might call it) will differ from Jimbo's. Parents have noted this from a "time whereof the memory of man runneth not to the contrary" (Blackstone).] The problem of the prudential crook remains. My parents did not teach me to be such a crook, indeed quite the contrary, but now I'm talking about how *we* want to raise *our* children. There is a subtle problem here, and that is that both cooperation and competition have their uses. A business firm is essentially an island of cooperation in a sea of competition, and part of the reason for this is that it is often cheaper for a firm to manufacture its supplies internally than to purchase them on the outside. (This seeming truism had to wait for its discovery to 1936 (approx.) when Ronald Coase published his seminal paper, "The Nature of the Firm.") This means that the individual must exercise both the cooperative virtues and the competitive virtues and know when the "us" attitude is most appropriate and when the "them" attitude is most appropriate. So far so good, but this cooperation-competition mix can extend to one group exploiting another. Slavery is an example, but so also is the case of the Gypsies, at least according to legend and actually according to a book, _King of the Gypsies_, I once read. Gypsies do not steal from each other, so their parents insist, while they also instruct them in the arts of stealing from "them." Many economists are persuaded that slavery is not a stable institution, meaning that slaves would rationally opt to save enough to purchase their own manumission, but I know of no discussion regards the Gypsies. (Gordon Tullock opined to me at a conference that the whites in South Africa had in fact profited from the exploitation of blacks.) I bring the problem up and have no resolution. Now recall that I first began asking why *Frank* needs a moral code. The first answer is prudence, but this does not say why he should not be a prudential crook. The second answer is psychological: it is in *Frank's* nature as a member of homo sapiens that he will suffer psychologically from being a prudential crook, regardless of what moral education he had. This is what Socrates said to Glaucon in _The Republic_ and what, on my interpretation, is what Ayn Rand thought but never fully articulated. Articulating this would require developing what I called the Objectivist Psychology in an earlier article, "Patch Needed for 'The Objectivist Ethics.'" (This is the "hole" I keep talking about.) Alas, to propound this thesis *universally* requires a great deal of empirical work. I can point out that Al Capone, Meyer Lansky, and Vladimir Lenin were horribly unhappy people. Pointing this out, again and again, to my children will most likely have effects on their eventual moral character, but critical adults will want some better demonstration. The Gypsies I read about in _King of the Gypsies_ did not seem to be very happy to me. I must confess that the whole question of the *aim* of a moral code is an extremely difficult one and about whose treatment by Ayn Rand I (and many others) am sorely confused. It is not clear either that a *hardened* criminal would be rationally advised to *undertake* the horrific effort to mend his ways: remarkable turn-arounds have been achieved, but the failure rate is very great. An egoist must take himself as he is, not as what he might have been but can no longer be. A pitch for studying biology here: Aristotle noted that character gets harder to change with age. This is an empirical fact and not one that can be deduced from the concept of a rational animal. But it can stand considerable fleshing out: what is going on in the brain, how did our species come to be this way, how important is genetic variability? I am loathe to artificially divide the study of reality into philosophical, scientific, and other (whatever that is!): I would insist that learning about the biological underpinnings is very important and that, moreover, it will inform us better about the *constraints* we face in developing our characters. Indeed, why is *Frank* docile (in the sense of teachable and morally indoctrinable) in the first place? INTERLUDIUM, not nec. a comic one: Much of what we think is universal may just be a European provincialism, in which case evolutionary studies of the emergence of man out of apes may not always be helpful: "Nobert Elias has suggested that under conditions of chronic interstate conflict in medieval and early modern Europe, particular social changes occurred that transformed both institutions and agents within the western European region. The creation of court societies involved the suppression of emotion and the development of self-restraint and internalization of one's emotions. This internalization constituted a practical imperative required for success in the court societies of western Europe. Affective control at the micro level was coupled with the processes of pacification within a particular state territory. The formation of modern European states entailed the suppression of the use of violence by agents not authorized by the central government. The institutionalization of 'order' entailed societal transformation both at the micro and macro levels. The consequence of these long-term changes was the formation of a modern self, an agent that has internalized affective controls over his or her public persona. Notions of rationality and interest have emerged in the _longue duree_ of this sociohistorical process. "The novel character of this approach rests on the connections established in the economic network (European feudalism), political network (interstate conflict), military network (internal pacification via court societies), and changes in the cultural-ideological network (personality development and sociogenetic processes involving detachment from 'passions' and the promotion of interest and rationality). The theory of the civilizing process, whatever its weaknesses, explicitly suggests that "civilization" is indeed a process involving the growing detachment of an agent from his or her own passions and the development of perspectivism as a means of relating self and others" --Victor Roudometof and Roland Robertson, "Globalization, World-System Theory, and the Comparative Study of Civilizations: Issues of Theoretical Logic in World-Historical Sociology," pp. 280-81, in Stephen K. Sanderson, ed., _Civilizations and World Systems: Studying World-Historical Change_ (Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press, A Division of Sage Publications, 1995). I devoted a chapter of my book, _The Metaphysics of Liberty_ (Dordrecht, Holland: Kluwer Academic, 1985), to the treatment of the separation of theory and fact, reason and desire, and public rules and private values in modern life as presented by Roberto Mangabiera Unger in his _Knowledge and Politics_ (NY: Free Press, 1975). Ayn Rand differs from other writers on liberty, in that she reached back to what Unger calls "intelligible essences" of the ancient and medieval philosophers, such as Aristotle and Aquinas, though not in exactly the same way. What I came to realize (and put into the book) is that she expounded primarily an ethics of *aspiration*, rather than an ethics of survival. Howard Roark is a character in a novel who should inspire us, rather than someone we should copy. Put this way, I have no quarrel with her. But as having expounded an actually true ethical philosophy of concrete *rules*, I have many quarrels and, no doubt, misunderstandings. Here's yet another quote: "As we consider the whole range of moral issues, we may conveniently imagine a kind of scale or yardstick which begins at the bottom with the most obvious demands of social living and extends upward to the highest reaches of human aspiration. Somewhere along this scale there is an invisible pointer that marks the dividing lie where the pressure of duty leaves off and the challenge of excellence begins. The whole field of moral argument is dominated by a great undeclared war over the location of this pointer. There are those who struggle to push it upward; others work to pull it down. Those whom we regard as being unpleasantly--or at least, inconveniently--moralistic are forever trying to inch the pointer upward as to expand the area of duty. Instead of inviting us to join them in realizing a pattern of life they consider worthy of human nature, they try to bludgeon us into a belief we are duty bound to embrace this pattern. All of us have probably been subjected to some variation of this technique at one time or another. Too long an exposure to it may leave in the victim a lifelong dislike for the whole notion of moral duty. "If the morality of duty reaches upward beyond its proper sphere the iron hand of imposed obligation may stifle experiment, inspiration, and spontaneity. If the morality of aspiration invades the province of duty, men may being to weigh and qualify their obligations by standards of their own and we may end with the poet tossing his wife into the river in the belief-- quite justified--that he will be able to write better poetry without her" --Lon L. Fuller, _The Morality of Law_, 2nd ed. (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1969), conflated from pp. 9, 10, 27, and 28. I hasten to add, since Miss Rand wrote scathing about duty, that we might substitute the "duty" not to initiate force, along with something not wholly unlike a duty, namely to be rational. So Fuller's "morality of duty" corresponds to Ayn Rand's mere survival of man, while Fuller's "morality of aspiration" corresponds to her survival of man *qua* man. But here's what she says: "The virtue of *Rationality* means ... one's total commitment to a state of full, conscious awareness, to the maintenance of a full mental focus in all issues, in all of one's waking hours" ("The Objectivist Ethics," p. 25 in _The Virtue of Selfishness_). (Focussing was evidently very easy for her, and I invite the readers to focus on the two long quotations above, though this may entail stepping into another world view.) Those who have been guilt- tripped by their understanding of Ayn Rand--and we've all read about them--have taken this statement as a grave obligation and, not surprisingly, fall short. And a good part of the reason for this is that she herself was not careful to distinguish Fuller's two moralities. In a way, I would rather not have these confusions that I (and many others) have with her writings cleared up. To engage in such exegetics can come far too close to treating her corpus as a canon and to becoming what I call a Randian Inerrantist. FINIS INTERLUDIARUM Finally, I turn to the question of the need of *men* for a moral code, to constrain behavior to meet at least Fuller's "most obvious demands of social living." Prudent crooks are ruled out! Until an Objectivist Psychology is actually worked out, I would call this ruling out a form of *moderate* altruism. Indeed, unless I do in fact *know* that psychologically being a *prudential* crook is against my long-term happiness, thus making it imprudent after all, my refraining from crookedness *is* an act of altruism. But what else? Should I assent to a government that provides for the improvident, or at least the deserving improvident, and does so through compulsory taxation? Or indeed for any purpose? Or submit to the judicial system for a crime I did not commit? Ayn Rand says a rational man would accept this (I can't find the quotation at the moment), and of course the criminal justice system could not work if suspects could not be hauled in *before* they were found guilty. What other agreements might rational men make, in a world of externalities or just of things that might be more cheaply produced jointly, i.e., collectively? There is a large literature on this subject, and I certainly do not pretend to have established the right answer. (I hope to scan in my review of David Gauthier's _Morals by Agreement_ that was published in _Public Choice_ and send it up. My computer was nearly totalled during an electrical storm last July 8, and so I lost the copy on my hard disc.) My best *guess*, and I hope not a wholly- uneducated one, is the scheme of *county sovereignty*: counties may run welfare states but--and this is a new addition to my thinking-- they may not run warfare states. I would phase down the national government by increasing the percentage required to get legislation passes by one percent a year until it would take a five/sixths supra-majority. I'll e-mail any or all three issues of my e-zine, _County Sovereignty_, to anyone who asks. I'm not sure that much of it is appropriate for this group. "Welfare Bums among the Lions," was part of the third issue.) Perhaps all I can do is urge that rarest of commodities, common sense, be employed. At any rate, I find a tension in Objectivism, or at least Objectivism as I misconstrue, extend, and interpret it, over *who* is the subject of a code of ethics. Is it one man, an adult with many habits set? Is it a child, whence the question is to be asked of its parents? Or is it "man" as in men. Where do the lions come in? As background speculation that another group of mammals, namely us, are affectively predisposed to a certain amount of sacrifice even when it goes to no benefit except welfare bums. I think the courageous lions' behavior would qualify as altruistic under Ayn Rand's concept. It certainly does under Jimbo's definition, which reads "the theory that you ought to, at least in some cases, sacrifice something that is of a higher _objective_ value to you (i.e. actually valuable, not just something that you happen to value, perhaps unwisely) for the sake of something that is of a _lower_ _objective_ value to you." (Go look at the paper itself in _Science_ last September 1 if you wish.) (I am not sure Miss Rand and Jimbo are in complete agreement, for he adds "at least in some cases," while for her, sometimes but not always I think, altruism means whole-hog altruism. And so, a system of ethics that tries to suppress our mildly altruistic nature will not be one for our optimal happiness. (Of course, no one has done similar experiments on man, not because we do not observe *objective* altruism, but because the causes are confounded with moral indoctrination.) JIMBO: In general, then, I take the subway to work everyday. Sometimes, there are street musicians in the subway performing. I make it a point to tip them a dollar. The *music* isn't worth a dollar to me, although I do enjoy it. What do I get out of it? I get an emotional satisfaction from seeing another human consciousness making their way in the world in a positive and value-productive way. I feel *warm inside* in a good benevolent way when I give the buck. I don't give change to sheer beggars, though. I've done it before -- when I first moved to the city (Chicago), I had never dealt with such a thing -- and I felt *bad* afterwards. I felt that I had contributed to something basically bad. So I don't do it anymore. And I feel good about it. FRANK NOW: I've got to insult you now, Jimbo, for this looks very much to me like you are using your feelings as a basis for cognition. But I think the tension is really in Ayn Rand's thinking and that her idea of benevolence is something of a deus ex machina. Oh, I think what she said is true (that we have benevolent feelings, or at least that some, if not most, people do), and I'd like an evolutionary explanation, since such explanations are deeper and hence more satisfying than just casual empiricism. JIMBO: Is there some *evolutionary* source for these emotional feelings. Well, I personally kinda doubt it. But -- and this what I want to get across in this letter -- *whether or not there are evolutionary reasons for particular aspects of our emotional makeup is not important philosophically*. The point is, when I give a buck to a musician offering values in the subway, I feel good, I've contributed to something productive, and that's all the justification I need: my own personal happiness is my own highest moral purpose. FRANK NOW: You are expressing a mentality that I find peculiar, although quite common, when you doubt there is an evolutionary source for your emotional feelings. Of course there is! We are indeed evolved animals--at least I assume that this is not in question here. To say otherwise is to turn man in to black box or to make him a product of a divine creation or to strip him of all flesh by thinking of him as pure mentation. Harsh charges, yes, but ones that are so common that one should be ever vigilant against them. Jimbo earlier: > > As usual, your critique of Objectivism is grounded in confusion. Frank Forman wrote: > Alas, I am far, far from being the only one who is confused. JIMBO: Of course not. But most people are *respectful* when they are confused! They approach people in a benevolent way, seeking understanding. They don't go on the attack claiming certain knowledge that (for example) Leonard Peikoff is *evading* because he agrees with Ayn Rand's derivation of rights. FRANK NOW: There seem to be two Franks, one who is indeed respectful, as I hope this essay is, and another one, who out of sheer frustration lets loose satirical cannons at fundamentalists! Frank --------------- THE PROBLEM OF THE PRUDENT PREDATOR I got a whole bunch of replies to the ongoing discussion on my "Welfare Bums among the Lions" piece. I was basically relaying a report in _Science_ about how courageous lions do things for their cowardly welfare-bum members of their pride with no visible return to themselves. I concluded with these paragraphs: "And so I suspect that it is weak selection forces that account for the grand structure of evolution we see when we admire the huge Column of Life in National Museum of Natural History on the Mall in Washington. The implication of all this for the general subject at hand is that altruism is indeed possible and that there is no need to explain away the subsidization of welfare bums among the lions in a Tanzanian park or to make the second most trite form of human wisdom, namely that everyone is out for power for himself. Given the plausible assumption that emotions in humans have coevolved with their altruistic behavior, a certain amount of it--the Tullock five percent rule, say--is indeed among what the great David Hume called "natural sentiments," and which form the foundation of our actual, practiced morality (as opposed to theoretical derivations on the part of philosophers, who argue against one another interminably anyhow). "Advice: follow your natural sentiments and reject both the extreme forms of anti-altruism as represented by the Objectivism of Ayn Rand and the extremes in the other direction of egalitarianism, which is a morality racket that preys upon altruistic sentiments. "And so the ancient Hebrews may have had it exactly right, when they said: "The earth from God we do but rent, And all he asks is ten percent. "Half of it went to the poor, in accordance with Tullock's rule, and the other half for administration by priests." end quotation Naturally, it was the side remark about Objectivism that generated the controversy. I've downloaded several postings in this group, but as we are now on to a different topic, I rename the subject, "The Problem of the Prudent Predator." But I have further remarks about the concept of altruism as well. Here's Paul Torelli replying to Jimbo Wales (who earlier replied to me). Date is June 6. Jim Wales wrote: >>> It is a simple fact that benevolence towards other people is an important >>> component of a healthy and happy human psyche; this has nothing at all >>> to do with self-sacrifice. If I give you a helping hand because it makes >>> me happy to do so, then that is *not* altruism in the sense that the >>> terms are used in ethical theory. But why is benevolence an important part of our human psyche? How are you so sure that benevolence has nothing to do with self-sacrifice? I would agree that almost everyone gets a nice "warm" feeling when they give to street musicians, but why? I am not at all sure that it has _nothing_ to do with self-sacrifice, and I do not know how harmless it is. FRANK NOW: I can't help but notice that Jimbo is taking a decidedly *subjectivist* view of his actions! Since when are feelings tools of cognition? Jimbo does indeed try to explain *why* giving money to musicians makes him feel good and why giving money to patent bums does not, but the fact is that many of those who do give to bums *feel good* about it. I am not telling Jimbo how he ought to feel, but I do feel [!] that what he said is inconsistent with Objectivism. Jim also wrote: > Is there some *evolutionary* source for these emotional feelings. Well, > I personally kinda doubt it. But -- and this what I want to get across > in this letter -- *whether or not there are evolutionary reasons for > particular aspects of our emotional makeup is not important > philosophically*. > The point is, when I give a buck to a musician offering values in the > subway, I feel good, I've contributed to something productive, and > that's all the justification I need: my own personal happiness is my own > highest moral purpose. If there is some evolutionary, genetical, inborn source for these emotional feelings, then I would say that such benevolence does not have anything to do with self-sacrifice; after all, if it is natural to give a dollar to a street musician to fulfill a _natural_ emotional need, then it seems that the dollar is worth the nice, "warm" feeling that accompanies the donation. However, if such benevolent impulses are _not_ inborn, then what else can we attribute them to besides altruistic, self-sacrificing impulses which we acquire from society, religion, etc? If in fact the reason why we might sacrifice a dollar, while a small amount, is to satisfy our altruistic urges that we have learned from our culture, then isn't that just a product of the same evil urges that drive people to give all their belongings to charity and live at a missionary, miserable for the rest of their life (or any other Randian example, such as Toohey's niece, Katie)? FRANK NOW: My point precisely: if leonine altruism carries over to men, then we do have an explanation for these warm, "benevolent" feelings. Denying or repressing these feelings is *detrimental* to our happiness. But whether there is an evolutionary carry-over into man, we all observe humans carrying out these acts of benevolence and/or altruism. I say Ayn Rand, the novelist, understood this, since she was a keen observer of mankind. But she had (with the help of Nathaniel Branden, let us not forget) to invoke something of a _deus ex machina_ in the form of the concept of benevolence to explain it. Back to Paul: I am not sure that, as you say, "whether or not there are evolutionary reasons for particular aspects of our emotional makeup is not important philosophically." For someone who is trained (usually through religion) to derive greater pleasure by sacrificing oneself to others (via work or money) than by working directly for oneself, wouldn't it cause them the greatest happiness to spend their lives brainwashing some unsophisticated peasants in the middle of Africa? Couldn't they be good Objectivists in this sense? It just seems that most grand acts of benevolence Rand discounts as altruism (which makes people miserable), while most small, (seemingly) harmless acts of altruism she attributes to this nice, "warm" feeling which most of us have (which seems to be worth the damn dollar to the street musician). Is the reason of her hatred for the missionary-type her own personal disbelief that someone could actually derive _greater_ pleasure from such acts? FRANK NOW: I make the serious charge that anyone who says he does not care about man's origins is not far from invoking the doctrine of a Special Creation of man. Neither Ayn Rand nor Jimbo, atheists both, would explicitly do such a thing; nevertheless Man is wholly different from the rest of existence (Creation). EVOLUTION MUST NEVER BE IGNORED, FOR IT IS UNSURPASSED AS A REALITY CHECK ON RUNAWAY PHILOSOPHIZING! Back to Paul: [snip] I am really not sure where I may disagree with Rand's philosophy, since I am very confused (just like Frank Forman), but all I know is this: the reasoning behind our benevolent impulses is _very, very_ important in the context of Objectivism, and I do believe our motivation for benevolence is philosophically important, since I think any actions which Rand might consider to be detrimental to one person's happiness (due to Rand's personality perhaps) may in fact be a great boon to their happiness. This aspect of Objectivism is the most confusing to me, and it just seems to me that you are over simplifying the problem. Thanks -------------------------------- Now here's from Lance Neustaeter, June 2, commenting on George Barota's post of the previous day, who in turn was commenting on me: > Frank Forman wrote: >> Why I should not sacrifice others for my own benefit has never >> been shown. The closest that the Objectivist argument comes is the >> *claim* that sacrificing others to myself *somehow* harms me >> psychologically. This may indeed be true of me, but is it true of >> everyone absolutely? It is true of any being that survives primarily via the use of concepts (and therefore principles). > I agree. It would harm me and, apparently, it would harm you. It wouldn't > harm everyone. However, I think that there are at least _two_ good reasons > not to sacrifice other people for ones own benefit: > 1. It's not practical. If you want something done it's better to do it > yourself than to force, or fool, someone else into doing it. > 2. If you go around using people then they might just do the same to you. If > you don't want something done to you, then you shouldn't do that to others. FRANK NOW: Here's where I name what I have brought up many times before, the Problem of the Prudent Predator. George is telling us that it is not prudent to predate. I think that this is generally true, and esp. so in a society where the police are efficient or where reputation is valued highly. But what of cases where prudent predation is possible? This is the question, and it goes back to Socrates, if not before. Lance's reply to George: While those reasons are true enough, they are not the most compelling reasons that there is to offer--if the above are the *only* reasons you can offer for the non-initiation of force, than what you have is pragmatism, not Objectivism. Think of the virtues. Should a person be honest because people will not like him if he isn't? Because they will stop dealing with him otherwise? Those reasons are both true and do add weight to the more fundamental reason that dishonesty is wrong, but they are not the fundamental reason. FRANK NOW: Lance has not explained why. But he does hint of virtues. There's a lot of promise in that approach. ------------------------------------ Here' Lance Neustaeter, later on June 2, replying to Mike Hardy's post of June 1, again taking issue with me: > Frank Forman wrote: >> I am beginning to think that no one understands the Objectivist meaning >> of altruism. One definition is to sacrifice a higher value for a lower >> value. > I would say it's the doctrine that service to others than myself > is the end-in-itself toward which all morality aims, rather than merely one > end that a rational person might sometimes pursue as part of the means to > happiness. > [neat Heinlein reference snipped] Frank is right to assert that there are various objectivist descriptions of altruism floating about. I don't know what his problem with that is, however. *All* concepts are like that. Anyways, as long as we are throwing out definitions of "altruism", here's my $0.02. The most fundamental definition of altruism I have come up with is "the ethics with the self as the standard of evil". Since most variants of ethics we are familiar with are defined by their standard of good, altruism appears to be a twisted anti-ethics (And it is. And Rand agrees: it doesn't tell you how to live, only how to sacrifice and die). However, even though most kinds of ethics are defined by their standard of good, I still think that altruism is most fundamentally captured only by reference to what it regards as evil. *Whatever* you choose to be good, your ethics is still a variant of altruism if you regard the self as evil (cf: philosophical environmentalism). FRANK NOW: Jimbo elsewhere said we could roughly rank ethical doctrines on a continuum from pure egoism to pure altruism. What Lance is giving us is whole-hog altruism. What *I* was doing was using the case of the lions to talk about a five percent altruism-95% egoism mix as perhaps the optimum. Empirical research and further knowledge of our evolution is needed to come up with a better estimate, and of course it will vary from individual to individual. ------------------------------ This time it's Will Wilkinson, also on June 2, replying to Jimbo Wales' reply to me: On Mon, 27 May 1996, frank forman wrote: > > Jimbo: > > Frank, I believe you have a number of serious confusions about the > > Objectivist ethics and the philosophical meaning of altruism. > Frank: > I am beginning to think that no one understands the Objectivist meaning > of altruism. One definition is to sacrifice a higher value for a lower > value. But we are also told that a value is "that which one ACTS to gain > and/or keep." But if our values are evidenced by our actions, then it is > not possible to sacrifice a higher value for a lower value. The last sentence above contains an error. There are two types of value: (1)objective (things that promote the life, or proper function, of the organism), and (2) psychological (things that we want, or *seem* to us to be what is good for us). Our *psychological* values are evidenced by our actions, but these may not be *objective* values at all. If our *objective* values were evidenced automatically by our actions then we wouldn't need ethics at all. The meat of ethics lies in the identification of what these objective values are, so that we can go about trying to make them our psychological values too (so that we can come to want what is really good for us and so be happy and best survive). It is the conflation of these two concepts of value that makes the absurd notion that sacrifice of a higher to lower value is impossible. Who doesn't understand what? FRANK NOW: Will is correct and I thank him for correcting my error and clearing up the confusion. "All" we need now is a fix on what those objective values consist of. I have read Ayn Rand's presentation of her ideas on the subject but am not convinced. She did not handle the Problem of the Prudent Predator adequately, and her assertions about the existence of benevolence needs to accounted for. ------------------------------ And, finally, this time around at least, from Joseph L. Campbell, also on June 2 and again replying to me: frank forman wrote: > Recall that Ayn Rand asked the question, "Why > does man need a [moral] code of values?" Here's > the ambiguity: does is mean why does *Frank* > need a moral code or why do *men* need a moral > code? She seemed to have meant the first, but a > good part of "The Objectivist Ethics" is taken > up with what happens when *men* do not follow a > rational morality. I think she meant 'man' in a philosophical sense, which includes "men," women, Frank, Joe, and everybody else in a very general sense, not any particular subset. > But note that a truly egoist ethics would > consider Frank as he is right now, at age 51, > with his present mix of good and bad habits. Why is that? Such a code would be egoist as far as *Frank* is concerned, but would hardly constitute an objective ethical code. Objectivism is concerned with _rational_ egoism, not egoism in the sense you seem to be using. FRANK NOW AND THEN HE'S FINISHED: I maintain that a code of ethics is not just a set of rules, rules, and more rules to live by, but more fundamentally involves the successful cultivation of certain virtues. *IF* we have good knowledge of the virtues and how they contribute to happiness (I won't argue about happiness as the end of ethical systems now), we might find out that predation is wrong, *not* because it invades the rights of others--rights are something that cannot be conceptualized at this point--but because of the damage it does to my character. *This* is what I was talking about when I wrote "Patch Needed for 'The Objectivist Ethics,'" and I called the patch the implicit Objectivist Psychology. So, a rational egoism on this account would mean that I should apply this Objectivist Psychology to my own life. I would mean that I should oversee the growth of my character and set out to cultivate various virtues. My point is that I, Frank Forman, am a concrete being, with much of my personality intact. I cannot go back into the womb, live my life over again, and this time get the cultivation of the virtues right. I can only hope to make some improvements in my character and, as Aristotle noted, these improvements are more and more limited as one gets older and require more and more effort. Daydreaming about living my life over again may not be a total waste of time, but trying to do so would be most irrational, contrary to what Joe seems to be saying. Confession and concession: I'm mixing up the economist's notion of rationality with the Objectivist one. But I'm not able to proceed any farther on my own. Frank