From artless@panix.com Wed Oct 19 07:17:41 1994 Path: panix!artless.dialup.access.net!user From: artless@panix.com (Art Thompson) Newsgroups: panix.policy,panix.user.html Subject: Re: Web pricing Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:53:08 -0500 Organization: Artless Wonders Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <37vle0$6o5@panix.com> <3819an$isl@panix3.panix.com> <381gov$pem@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: artless.dialup.access.net Xref: panix panix.policy:2312 panix.user.html:268 In article <381gov$pem@panix3.panix.com>, tneff@panix.com (Tom Neff) wrote: > In article <3819an$isl@panix3.panix.com>, > Larry Nathanson wrote: > >artless@panix.com (Art Thompson) writes: > >>My understanding is that for the charges not to show up, the Panix user > >>has to access the docs from within Panix local, thus avoiding the billing > >>software that tracks usage through the http. This would seem to imply that > >>Panix local web activity will be limited to Lynx viewing. > > > >>Is this so? > > > >Why would this be so? A user on a slip line is local, and isn't > >limited to lynx. > > If the httpd server is properly configured, Larry will be right. What > Art was doubtless referring do is the distinction between the way Lynx > handles local HTML files - loading them directly without involving the > server task at all - versus asking httpd to hand you HTML files from > within your local domain, which is what a SLIP user will be doing. Right. I was curious as to whether the accounting software watched for domain names of the users accessing the local pages & and allowed "panix.com & "access.net" users free access. The following (which seems to answer these questions) is from Liz Stokes' home page: "Access to your directory is controlled via a file called .htaccess. Accounting has a .htaccess file which it moves to your directory, this default file will deny access to your www files to remote hosts, but still allow access from hosts in the panix.com and access.net domains since those transfers are free anyway." Sorry for the confusion - Art . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A r t l e s s W o n d e r s a r t l e s s @ p a n i x . c o m a n a l o g - d i g i t a l s o u n d + i m a g e s t u d i o From reynolds@panix.com Sat Oct 29 18:14:17 1994 Path: panix!not-for-mail From: reynolds@panix.com (Brian Reynolds) Newsgroups: panix.user.html Subject: Re: How Can I Set Up a Home Page for My Organization Date: 29 Oct 1994 12:32:38 -0400 Organization: Public Access Internet & UNIX Lines: 102 Message-ID: <38ttf6$f38@panix2.panix.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com I thought Liz would get to this before now, however there are some errors here that I'll try and correct. The short answer is: we are still in beta testing on this service. I do not think Liz is accepting any more beta testers at this time. Send mail to staff (mentioning WWW in the subject line) for more information on the planned WWW home page (and servers) service. In article , Clay Irving wrote: >In article gregg@panix.com (Gregg Gonsalves) writes: > >>I work for an AIDS research advocacy organization called the >>Treatment Action Group. The other day a few of us were saying how >>nice it would be to have a home page on the net so people could >>access information about AIDS research and treatment, and in >>particular, the reports and newsletter that TAG publishes. Now, >>besides for creating the page itself, what has to be considered? > >I'll take a stab at your questions. > >>Where would the home page reside? > >On Panix, it would reside in /hosts/news/f/httpd/htdocs > This happens to be where the diskspace currently lives, but it is not the official entry point, and it won't be in that location when the service goes live. The official entry point is /usr/local/lib/httpd/htdocs. Each user would have a subdirectory there (e.g., /usr/local/lib/httpd/htdocs/reynolds) where files related to that user's home page would be stored. >>Could it reside on Panix, > >Yes. > >>could we rent "space" on a university computer, > >Possibily, if someone donates the use of the system for you... > >>or could we just buy a dedicated PC and a dedicated line from PANIX. > >This would be a tad expensive. > If you are using Panix's WWW home page service you do not need a dedicated line. You do need a Panix account. You could get by with a Basic account ($10/month) plus the WWW home page service ($0.08/MB transferred/month). With this sort of setup you would need to design and test your home page offline. The NCSA Mosaic client is capable of reading html documents locally (instead of from the network) and could be used to do the testing. The NCSA client is available for IBM PC clones running windows, Macs, and various Unix boxen running the X Window System. Other WWW client programs (Cello, Netscape, etc.) should also be able to do this. A Personal Internet ($19/month) or Dialup IP ($35/month) account would allow you to test your home page from the Panix WWW server. If you wanted to run a WWW server on your own hardware then you would need a permanent connection to the Internet. This does not sound like what you want to do. >>Would this all be very expensive? > >Panix is going to charge based on usage -- If no one accesses the >home page, then it's going to be very inexpensive for you. If alot >of people access the home page, then you'll have to pay a modest >amount each month. If you look back through some of the older >articles in this newsgroup, then you should get an idea of the >amount you may have to pay... The charge for WWW home page service will be $0.08/MB of data transferred outside of the Panix networks each month. If you have a 512KB monolithic home page that 50 people hit in a month it would cost $2.00 that month. To expand on Clay's comment, besides the total number of people transferring your home page the design of the home page will also affect the total charges. If you have a 512KB home page that is one single large document, every hit on your home would grab the entire document and cost $0.04. If you could split your home page into multiple documents (along something similar to chapters for instance) of 10 files of 50KB a piece, then each person browsing your home page would only see the information they requested, and the overall cost would be lower (depending on how many people transfer what proportion of your total home page). >>Remember, we're non-profit. How about maintenance? > >Someone should maintain the home page... > The owner of the home page maintains the home page. -- Brian Reynolds | "Skiers on crutches, and chickens with springs." reynolds@panix.com | "These are some of my favorites things." NAR# 54438 | -- Kermit and Gonzo IPMS# 30162 | "The Muppet Show"