ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1899 http://www.s-gabriel.org/1899 ************************************ 08 Feb 2000 From: Jodi McMaster Greetings from the Academy of S. Gabriel! You asked about names used sometime after 1050 which sounded similar to the French surname . The names we suggest in this letter are simply names that sound similar to , and we have no reason to believe that they are related in any way. There is a place-name that would yield as a surname, pronounced \d@ s@-NAY\ (the "@" represents a schwa, the first vowel sound in ). There's also , from , 'oak-wood', which was pronounced \du" tch@-NAY-@\ until the 12th century and \du" sh@-NAY-@\ after. [1] The \u"\ is pronounced by trying to say the vowel in with one's lips rounded. The Old French word "marshland" gave rise to a byname indirectly. That name didn't mean "from the marshland" (which would have been ) but rather "son of a man known as 'Saigne'", pronounced \du" SEN~-@\ before the 15th c. (\n~\ is the same as in the Spanish word or the "ny" in ). We also found and , both modernly pronounced \so-NYAY\. [2] The Old French pronunciation is \sow-NYAYR\, with \ow\ as in and \AY\ as in . By c.1500 the final <-r> of was silent. is a Renaissance spelling; it is not Old French. Old French had in the early 12th c., but this soon became . We hope this letter has been helpful. Please write us again if any part of it has been unclear or if you have other questions. Arval Benicouer, Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Amant le Marinier, Blaise de Cormeilles, and Talan Gwynek contributed comments and/or research for this letter. For the Academy, AElfwyn aet Gyrwum 8 February 2000 __________________ References: [1] Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, III:175b (Paris: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972). [2] Dauzat, Albert & Ch. Rostaing, _Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Lieux de la France_ (Paris: Librairie Larousse, 1963), s.nn. Dussaigne, Dussandier, Saunier. [3] Greimas, Algirdas Julien, _Dictionnaire de l'ancien franc,ais_ (Paris: Larousse, 1997), s.v. saigne, sentier.