From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Sat Nov 25 07:31:13 PST 1995 Article: 25569 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:25569 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly think that the traditional loud speakers which people purchased are rubbish Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 03:05:51 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4960kd$2vq@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly think that the traditional loud speakers which people purchased are rubbish You also could say that Joly speaker system is rubbish , but you must give some reasons let people to believe you. Lots of cheap CD , using the cheap speaker systems for listening , feeling very exciting ; but when using good speaker systems for listening , you will find the CD got lots of defects . Also using the high- class traditional speaker systems for listening some good rendition CD , it*s very hard to got the real artistic conception . Traditional louder speaker , sounds very strong , reflected , make people feel exciting . Frequent listeners to traditional audio-set louder will become cranky, may have difficulty focusing and may develop rough, abrasive hair, also trend to violence ,which means you brain already got hurt. You don*t believe me? You could go to observe the people who would like to listening very loud. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Tue Nov 28 08:36:57 PST 1995 Article: 25742 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:25742 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly wants to know the people who make the rubbish , what will you say? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 03:01:57 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 30 Message-ID: <49dtgm$lsl@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.111 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly wants to know the people who make the rubbish ,what will you say ? Joly speaker has already compared with CELLO and TANNOY on the audio exhibition in Taiwan. On the show , their Taiwanese agent and English engineer dared to argue with Joly. Also, the Mr. Allan whom is from English LS systems , came to listen the Joly speaker and conceded that Joly speaker sounds better in front of the consumers. The above are the facts, if the traditional loud speaker compare with Joly speaker they will be found that they are not truly sound, that*s so-called rubbish. The America*s JBL, AR in Taiwan , people think they are worse than the Europe*s speaker . And the BOSE (Europe speaker) are worse than Joly speaker. Owing to Joly speaker only one could have the stereo sound, and the traditional speaker need more than one to pretend the 3D sound. Joly rebuke the CELLO, B&W, TANNOY, LS3/5 and ATC .....etc. are rubbish . Lets see which companies dare to sue Joly for slander? They realized that if compare with Joly speaker , they will be exposed. In Taiwan , only manufacturer , distributor and retailer trying to squeeze the Joly out. Because they do not want the consumers to know that they are selling the rubbish now. You could hear what do they say about Joly , if they say its worse, please ask them why and where do they hear the Joly speaker before ? Please say it boldly. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Thu Nov 30 07:34:21 PST 1995 Article: 25803 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:25803 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY SEE THE DEFECT OF AMERICAN Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:39:32 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 24 Message-ID: <49h251$qa4@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.114 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY SEE THE DEFECT OF AMERICAN A KIND OF ANIMAL IS ALWAYS VERY FAITHFUL FOR THEIR OWNER ¡AAND THEY DO NOT THINK OVER THAT THEIR OWNER IS GOOD OR BAD¡F SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE THE FAITHFUL ANIMAL ¡FFOR EXAMPLE ¡APEOPLE GET THE MONEY FROM THEIR BOSS¡ASO PEOPLE WOULD DO BAD THINGS ¡AWHICH ARE LIAR ETC...¡AFOR THEIR BOSS¡C TRUE REASON IS THAT * LISTENING TO GOOD MUSIC CAN PROMOTE THE CHARACTER OF HUMAN *¡CHOWEVER¡ATHE PEOPLE WHO LISTENING TO SPEAKER MUSIC CAN NOT PROMOTE THEIR CHARACTER¡AESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THEMSELVES ARE SPEAKER EXPERT AND VERY SMART¡CIF THE SPEAKER EXPERT CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE THINGS WHICH THE OTHER PEOPLE SAY¡ATHEY WOULD SAY THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE IGNORANCE¡FIF THE SPEAKER EXPERT DO NOT AGREE THE THINGS WHICH THE OTHER PEOPLE SAY ¡ATHEY WOULD SAY THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WRONG ¡CBUT¡ATHE SPEAKER EXPERTS ARE UNABLE TO POINT OUT THE WRONG THINGS OF THE OTHER PEOPLE¡C YOU ARE STILL LISTENING TO THE ANCIENT SPEAKER WHICH FROM THE AGE OF YOUR GRANDFATHER¡CDO YOU THINK THE ANCIENT SPEAKER WHICH ALREADY BE PROMOTED BY SPEAKER DESIGNER¡HTHE ANCIENT SPEAKER ONLY CHANGE YOUR BRAIN AND DO NOT PROMOTE YOUR CHARACTER¡C From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Sun Dec 3 07:20:15 PST 1995 Article: 25899 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:25899 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY SEE THE BRAG AND LOSE OF AMERICAN AUDIOPHILE Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:01:42 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 20 Message-ID: <49jrau$s9q@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.114 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly see the brag and lose of American audiophile Before the world war 2¡Aeverybody think that American is industrious and excellent because American invents and designs a lot of things¡C So¡Athe posterity of American feel proud and superior¡C When Japanese car and electronic producce are better than American cars and electronic produce¡AAmerican are sad and lose dignity¡COf course¡Asmart-perfect pursuer American like to use Japanese produce¡Aalthough American always scold Japanese¡C American do not care that the quality of European brand-speaker system are better than American brand-speaker system¡Abut American are afraid to know that Joly speaker system ¡]Taiwan¡^are better than American system ¡C¡]Because American does not dare to recognize the fact¡^¡CThe speaker system business of American play a trick on vote in order to rebuke Joly¡FWhere are the justice American¡HIf you know this fact¡Aplease announce on this net¡CAudio-maganize know this fact¡Abut please do not make things difficult for Audio-maganize¡C From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Sun Dec 3 07:21:38 PST 1995 Article: 25910 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:25910 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY the first time to answer American audiophile Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 09:46:34 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 30 Message-ID: <49miat$hem@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.134 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY the first time to answer American audiophile ¡]1¡^JOLY do not care *Bose* ¡CJOLY already published article ¡Awhich is CELLO¡BB&W¡BTANNOY¡BMONITOR AUDIO and ROGORS are rubbish¡Ain the maganize advertisement¡CThe speaker system of CELLO¡BB&W¡BTANNOY¡BMONITOR AUDIO and ROGORS have untrue noise¡Awhich can hurt brain¡CSo¡AJOLY published article that CELLO¡BB&W¡BTANNOY¡BMONITOR AUDIO and ROGORS are rubbish in this maganize advertisement¡CWhen JOLY said they are rubbish at the maganize advertisement¡Ado they dare to sue JOLY¡H All of the HI-ED audio shop do not dare to compare JOLY speaker with their own speaker system¡Abecause they afraid that consumers discover the fault of their own speaker system¡CSo¡Aall of the HI-END audio shop reject JOLY speaker¡CThe most famous audio brand on the world do not dare to sue JOLY¡Adoes *BOSE* dare to sue *JOLY*¡H Is *BOSE* crazy¡H ¡]2¡^Do you want to know why JOLY speaker is true 3D sound¡HAt the first¡Ayou need to know why the traditional speaker unable to be maked 3D sound¡CWhy the traditional speakers are maked untrue 3D sound ¡Awhich need many speakers¡H How are the untrue 3D sound of the traditional¡HWho can answer the question¡H ¡]3¡^Someone who has ever listened to JOLY speaker said that JOLY speaker is bad speaker¡FJOLY hope you are not a liar¡CMany people have heard JOLY speaker¡Fonly you said JOLY speaker is bad and wrote too few¡CPlease wrote more information about JOLY in L.A show¡Athen we would give you more detail answer¡Aok¡H From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Mon Dec 4 06:50:48 PST 1995 Article: 26029 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26029 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY request that American audiophiles are not sad Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 08:33:51 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 24 Message-ID: <49ub68$ohu@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.153 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY request that American audiophiles are not sad After American invented speakers, JOLY improved the speakers a lot. If JOLY is German, American are welcome JOLY; is that right? JOLY want American to understand that Taiwan was the largest-quantity speakers producer and exporter in the world for 20 years and offer good-cheap produce for American. Now JOLY which from Taiwan improve the speaker and serve American finally. JOLY offer American healthy-good produce, and American should be happy. Only the producer and seller of the traditional speakers oppose JOLY, and the maganize do not dare to introduce JOLY speakers to consumers for their advertisement income. please think that why the opposition-JOLY do not dare to accept JOLY*s challenge, is the reward USD40,000.00 small? Opposition-JOLY can not point out the property fault of JOLY speaker and only could said that they do not like JOLY speaker. Many people like to smoke cigarette and say that cigarette is good, is it right¡HOppose-JOLY people who even do not know the fault of traditional speaker, so oppose-JOLY people can not understand the principle which joly wrote. The true consummer sould like to know the principle of JOLY and ask JOLY question. Would you like to discuss the fault of traditional speaker and the improvement way of traditional speaker? From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Tue Dec 5 17:24:39 PST 1995 Article: 26121 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26121 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY the third time answer Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 09:42:54 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4a13ji$gto@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.140 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY the third time answer (1) The quality of hair can be changed. There are many reasons to change hair-quality; One of the many reasons is noise. You think that your hair is curly, soft and long. If you do not often listen to speakers (with noise) loudly, your hair probably is softer. If you cut your hair (short), you probably discover that your hair is straight-up. (2) JOLY has ever issued the spread reason of ¡utrue sound¡v, but no one reply. If you do not understand, please do not ask question. (3) Is no one curious why the sound of the traditional speaker can make people*s hair to become hard and thick? (4) If American scold that Taiwanese is like pig and dog, Taiwanese would accept a half at least. (The cute animal worship human, but the cute animal can bite their homogeneous.) A lot of Taiwan-audio business pretend the consummers to scold JOLY. JOLY offer reward USD10,000.00 for the speaker quality to challenge other brand speakers, which the price is same as JOLY. The Taiwan audio business heard JOLY speaker and did not dare to challenge with JOLY, but they scold JOLY at the dark place. Now, the Taiwan audio business scold JOLY in this American computer-net. JOLY often see that a master take his dog to walk, and the master*s dog shriek to the other dog. (5) JOLY speakers are already better than European & American and do not need to compare with Japan. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Thu Dec 7 07:42:10 PST 1995 Article: 26215 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26215 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music & reply(1) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 06:31:38 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4a614o$r8k@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.118 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music & reply (1) 1.reply : (A)(AcousticEn): Stick the HI-END in the speaker: shows the speaker comparing whether the same size or the same diameter with other speakers , the sound quality is the best in the world. (B) the trial hearing room in u.s.a.: 2038 Mountain View Rd. S. Elmonte, CA 91708 Attn: Mr. Frank Chu Tel:(818) 401 9677 (C) the Fax No. in Taiwan : 886-2-3652009 2.discuss: Most of our knowledge and wisdom come from the listening. About 200 years ago, there were about 99.9% people were the illiterate person , they had no book to read. It goes without saying that their knowledge came from their talking and listening . But , nowadays, people think that our knowledge comes from reading the newspaper , magazines , books and watching the TV, computer or seeing the movies....etc. , all by *looking* few by listening. Does the time is changing? Why our eyes are evolution but our ears are degeneration? If our eyes are evolution, our eyelids should be inside our ears , then , even we are sleeping we still watching. But what are we watching? We are watching out while we are sleeping, in order to run away when the dangerous is coming. (Sounds like a good idea!) But it does not work, because we need have more eyes for our back and two sides to watch over our surroundings , also we could not watch through the wall. Finally we still need our ears, one could feel the movement two could control and listening more clearly , we do not need to care about dark or light. So, listening is still the best way for getting the knowledge. ------- Be continued. -------- From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Thu Dec 7 07:43:50 PST 1995 Article: 26217 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26217 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music & reply(2) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 09:19:09 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4a6aum$2nk@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.103 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music & reply(2) 1. discuss: Many scholars have read a lot of books , but how do they solve their problems when they have questions? The best way is to discuss with somebody else to got more information and ideas to solve the problems, because the expression of words are limited. The doctor could more realize his patients from his talking . Joly maintains that the sound quality could effect people*s wisdom. The noisy pollution will make our hair become rough . In Taiwan , the audiophile BBS , there are nobody want to believe us , the main reason is that we do not have the proof & sustain from the medic. Then, we start to post on the health BBS , we would like to discuss with them , but they say nothing , maybe they are not interested in the inference of theories , only want to earn more money and to got the green card in America. 2. blind spot: Actually, people are very blind for the knowledge of sound. Not only for sound , but for many things. For example, Taiwanese believe that after eating the wild animal will become stronger, so, people eat tigers. If there are no tigers, they eat dogs to substitute tigers. After eating , they still not feel as strong as Europeans and Americans . The scholars said the main reason for their health is that Europeans and Americans like to eat fresh vegetable and food . In order to absorb well Taiwanese think people need to cook every kind of food. (Just like the Chinese herb.) The scholars also said, the fresh vegetables have the life-force, people could feel stronger after eating the fresh vegetables. People wonder the vegetable doesn*t jumping and running as well as the wild animal, how could they have the life-force? But they haven*t think about that the wild animal also dead after cooking , how could they got the life-force from the dead animal ?? ------- Be continued------- From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Fri Dec 8 08:14:10 PST 1995 Article: 26283 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26283 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music and reply(3) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 08:33:37 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4a8slb$mu9@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music and reply (3) 1. Most of us do not understand how does the noise harm for us. Same as 20 years ago, people did not realize how was the smoking harm for us. How does the noise effect human beings. Joly think that every sound could effect people. Our nerves are always waving by the outside action. As we receive different signals , we will have different feelings and reactions. If we could not receive the signals normally and completely , we must have some problems with our body . When our body loose the coherence and feel imbalance , our muscle will easy to be sprained , also the endocrine will imbalance, influence our memory and thinking . Also people who are working in the noise environment, listen to the noise traditional loud speaker for a long time, their hair will become rough and their character will have a huge different as before. 2. reply: Before Joly participated in the L.A.1995 HI-END show ,we have two period AD. on the magazine, and would like people to bring their speaker to compare with Joly speaker. We also supply the award USD 40K for people . There had people brought his speaker to compare with Joly speaker model J-501, but the sound quality had huge gap between two different kind of speakers. We suggest people should find the judgment of the exhibition show and the reporter to record the competition. On the HI-END show, many people came with their own CDs want to test Joly speaker and we were very glad to play their CDs . People praised Joly speaker, also had an enthusiastic America people to recorded for us. We did not hear the defect about Joly speaker. The people of Joly, did not know the voting things. After they came back they know the result of the voting on the hi-fi show form the magazine , which told the consumer that Joly speaker was worse speaker from the result of the voting in hi-end show. Joly wonder that the result was not true. In Taiwan , many votings are controlled by a others, America must have the same situation. The big magnet is necessary for good speaker, and very easy to got it. But without correct theories and techniques, also impossible to have good speaker. Joly will tell you in next time. ------ Be continued. ------- From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Mon Dec 11 10:09:36 PST 1995 Article: 26419 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26419 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music and reply(4) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:10:24 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4agodb$lrb@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.139 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening the music and reply (4) How does sound effect our wisdom? For the physically point of view, the wave of the sound must effect our brains. When the frequently wave of our brand was shacked by the outside noise sound, it effects our brand has the wrong signal and order which let us have the thinking and memory barrier and most of us could not feel the fact. Another fact which easier to be found is that, in the hereditary way by our psychology , we already hate or like the sound in our deep mind. In our mind , some voice let us feel nerves and some let us afraid and want to avoid them. Only good sound will make us feel safe , , happy and moving our mind by tears. And those are not the normal speech words, just the simply sound and could make our psychology have the reactions . The sound which could not be found effect our mind and wisdom very deeply , but they are always be ignored by us. Joly maintained that the noise from our stereo will effect our wisdom, our mind and people will become sensitivity are not as strong as to say they will become moron which closer the fact. Do you want Joly offer the proofs? reply : Some people bland Joly and said Joly on this net is loosing Taiwanese face . Many people (most are in the same line) , assailed Joly on the Taiwan BBS, also going to the America net with Joly. They want to show the American that how brave they are and how smart they are! As the foreigner come to Taiwan, they would like to see Taiwanese kill the tiger and snake. Taiwanese will show them until they say wonderful and feel Taiwanese are very great. The same situation also happened on the net. Actually, those people are very afraid, afraid the customer know the fact , know the Joly speaker are better than others. If consumers accept Joly speaker, they will not be cheated any more ,the traditional speaker will disappear in the Taiwan market. Joly think about a very interesting story : There are three people in a restaurant, one is a beautiful woman, she think she is very smart and found someone was looking at her , and she is very glad, because she knows that*s because she is beautiful. The other one is a movie start , he found someone is looking at him and that*s because he is a movie start. Then another comment people also found somebody is looking at him, but he does not know the reason, maybe he is stupid. Finally, the common people find that the man who watching those people is a chef , he is testing and observing ! From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Mon Dec 18 08:41:43 PST 1995 Article: 26727 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26727 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening and reply(8) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:28:15 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4b310s$s49@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.152 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening and reply (8) We have talk about the relation about the sound and human beings wisdom before. One is to transmit the information and knowledge. Another let our brand wave moving normally and you could have correct thinking and reaction. The first feeling is you really hear very clearly and know what are they want to express and this is related to the people speak very clear or not. The second reaction is when your mind feel clear , your action and thinking will become faster , but when you don*t feel clear on you mind , your thinking and observing will become weak and let yourself make wrong decision. The two common point of the above is on clear or no. Some people talk very fast but clear, the hearer also have fast and correct reaction. Some talk unclear and will make us feel sick and dizzy but good for negotiations. Also when some people talk , make you feel very bright and loud ,let you forget thinking and the sound too strong to hurt our ears, this feeling will let you think his talk is clear, but actually your brand will feel blank and stop to thinking. The traditional loud speaker have the two rear facts will harm for our wisdom. reply: (1)Joly post the discovery on the net to offer the knowledge and didn*t earn any money from it, so we will not treat you as a customer. If somebody could offer his knowledge or theory Joly will appreciate it . Joly not read a lot, what we said before were our result of testing and observing . Please also offer your thinking, this is knowledge. (2) Joly do not play the racism game, also hate the smart people who play the racism game(what kind of animal do you want to say?). (3) Joly has a listening room in the L.A. 2038 Mountain View Rd. S.Elmonte,CA91708 TEL: (818)4019666 Attn: Mr. Frank Chu (4)Joly hope could have listening rooms in every big cities. If you love music and interested in cooperate with us. Please reply on the net. our show room on the 1996 Winter CES as below: room# S5206A , S5206B From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet Mon Dec 18 08:42:46 PST 1995 Article: 26733 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:26733 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!aladdin.iii.org.tw!usenet From: joly@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly discusses the wisdom of listening and reply(9) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:41:40 GMT Organization: Institute for Information Industry Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4b3cbh$ct0@aladdin.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.102 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly discusses the wisdom of listening and reply(9) Joly try to explain to consumer that the traditional louder speaker have distortion and noise could harm for our wisdom. In Taiwan bbs. while many people complain and arguing with Joly , there are some scholars came for check and proof Joly speaker . After they post the article which submit Joly speaker, suddenly Joly could not post as usual on the net. Some reader think Joly leave the net and after we inform the bbs. staff in Taiwan still haven*t got any answer until now. So , we could see the fact that the business group has huge affection and could cut our freedom of talking . Joly speaker still haven*t sale on the market , Joly just recommend the theory , not introduce our products and sales of the business . Now they haven*t offer any reasonable explaining could proof their brand is sick or not. Are they often to listen the traditional loud speaker? And did Joly post on the audio. opinion , tech and misc still on? Are there any honest friend? Please reply,thank. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Thu Feb 1 09:03:02 PST 1996 Article: 28808 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:28808 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: A sad story happened on my friend~from Marry Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 09:19:51 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4epvko$2mu@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.155 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 A sad story happened on my friend~ from Marry After guarantee *this is the last time* for his wife , my friend finally bought BOSE speaker . Later , he hearing about that Joly challenge all the traditional speakers were rubbish , he wasn*t convinced and brought 4 Cds went for listen. At first , he felt unhappy that Joly just use one speaker to listen. But later he also felt very sad after Joly use two Joly speaker for him to listen. After listen Joly HI-END speaker for three days , he can not stand any more and promise his wife if he could buy J-501 he will stop smoking forever. Owing to Joly speaker is very sensitive , all of his Cd*s defect will completely show out, so most of my friends Cds all became rubbish , but ultimately he could enjoy some good Cds . From J-501 he could identify the instrument very easily which he had never felt before. He also angry about some Cd producers made the bad quality products to gain so much money by cheating. As he think of he has already bought so many Cds and become to the rubbish which Joly has mentioned and no smoking any more, he really fell sad. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Thu Feb 8 08:05:17 PST 1996 Article: 29142 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:29142 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Re: A sad story happened on my friend--from Marry Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 02:44:54 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4fbn37$l0u@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.119 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 reply Mr. David Kwan 1) The review of BOSE in Taiwan is very common, except could sounds louder and nobody say it good at all. But nobody could sued Joly by it , because Joly is saying the truth. 2) Our vocal is a kind of stereo sound . So, just one speaker sounds truly is stereo sound. And just the new invention patented of Joly could achieve it. Why used two speakers ? Because when the CD edit, it*s not mono , it got left and right sound. And the sound depends on how many directions do the machine have and it must got how many speakers. The surround sound (direction) and the stereo are different. 3) Maybe my article was not expressed very well and let your misunderstanding. Actually , I already expressed my revolution theory and ideas , but regarding the part of technology is still not able to show out. And now every Hi-End shops all repel Joly speaker not sale it , even not dare to compare the quality of sound to show the customers. So, Joly must not show the technology , we have to protect ourselves. Some experts and the friend of internet also brought their Cds to compare with Joly speaker, but no one could find better one . There were nearly one thousand exhibitors in WCES and Joly is the best ( means the sound quality) . If Joly tell a lie , if Joly not good enough , Joly will be assaulted. Joly said the traditional loud speaker will harm for our wisdom! Are there any one could sued Joly? The market of Hi-Fi , Hi-End hoodwink the consumers, not like other products easy to openly compare and compete to let consumers understand, it mixed the art and cheating. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed Mar 20 06:37:53 PST 1996 Article: 31096 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:31096 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY answer Mr.Robert Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:09:42 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4iogrd$cnv@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.146 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY answer Mr.Robert (1) JOLY already offered money reward US$40,000.00 to accept comparison in Pittsburgh, Nurnberg and Geneve inventions show. No one could deny JOLY speakers were the best and the most pure in the world, so JOLY got the invention award. The diaphragm of JOLY speaker already got the invention patent from American, German, France and England, and JOLY attended HI-FI/95 and CES/96. JOLY is going to attend Hi-Fi 96*. (2) Comparing recently traditional speakers of audio shop with JOLY speakers, we could find traditional speakers are flat sound and untrue sound. JOLY says traditional speakers is rubbish and could hurt brain nerve, and traditional speakers seller afraid the consumers discover the facts. Causing the traditional speaker stock and products can not be sold out, so they rejected JOLY. Hi-End shops are very close market, and they attract consumers by advertisement and sell way (3) What is white van? Please advise what it is? How should I do? JOLY have not enough money to publish on commercial advertisement. (4) If people need JOLY catalogue, please advise us your address. Then we would send our catalogue to you by air mail. Thank you very much. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Tue Mar 26 19:22:48 PST 1996 Article: 31432 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:31432 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: re: please think carefully (answer Robert ) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:12:52 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4ja3gj$579@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.102 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 re: please think carefully (answer Robert ) Mr. robert thinks too much things, and he thinks himself is cheated and gets angry. Many people listen to the suggestion of storm and buy many different kind of sound of speakers. They do not satisfy, but they do not feel he is cheated. Maybe they do not think the thing carefully. If Joly speaker could be sold 1,000 pair for several years, then Joly could reduce the speaker price to 1/3. If Joly speaker could be sold ten thousand pairs, the speaker price could reduce to 1/10. People, who is like Mr. Robert so smart, is very few. Joly do not have much quantity of production and market, so the cost is very high. What is the standard price of Joly speaker? Joly speaker price is only 1/10 of other brand speakers with the same quality. If you find the price which within 10 time of Joly speaker and the sound is more true than Joly speaker, Joly would send a pair of speakers to you. Speaker consumer level of Taiwanese is better than American. Any expensive speakers could be sold in Taiwan, but any body can not break the record, which the 1/10 price of Joly speaker. Is Joly a liar? Insisting traditional speakers have boom (untrue noise) sound and would hurt cranial nerve, and only Joly speaker could not hurt cranial nerve. Therefore, Joly get the invention-award for 3 times and offer money reward USD40,000.00 to accept the challenge, but no one could get the money reward. Joly rebuked the highest level brand of speaker is rubbish, and no one dare to accuse Joly. If your brain is not clear, can your friend persuade you to think carefully? From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Tue Mar 26 19:22:56 PST 1996 Article: 31433 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:31433 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY answer J.JOLY Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:24:12 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4ja45m$5iv@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.102 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY answer J.JOLY JOLY is the brand of a speaker production factory for 30 years. We have ever produced two million pcs speakers every month, and the boss of JOLY invented the correct diaphragm and got the international patent. The sound of the diaphragm of JOLY speaker is stereo, true and would eliminate the Hi-Fi & Hi-End of the traditional speaker market. So, the speaker sellers have united to oppose JOLY. The music lover of high-level buy JOLY speakers in Taiwan now. We could find the consumers are outsider and confused by advertisement and untrue comment. Consumers buy different specification speakers again and again, but these speakers could not satisfy the consumers. . From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed Apr 10 08:33:48 PDT 1996 Article: 32016 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:32016 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY answer Mr.Andy Trafford-2 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 05:31:35 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4kfjc6$h0j@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.132 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY answer Mr.Andy Trafford-2 1. The price of model Black Knight speaker of Joly speakers in Taiwan is about US$3,500.00. The price of the speaker in Taiwan is the speaker in American*s 3 times. Now Joly decide to sale speakers in U.S.A, the sale price is US$2,000.00. If someone would like to help Joly for the agent of Joly, the sale price will raise again. So, we would have enough benefit. 2. Black Knight of Joly speaker is designed for American market. The woofer of Black knight speaker is lower and purer than J501L speaker. The volume of Black Knight speaker could be loud and accept bigger power. 3.The size of black knight speaker is big and heavy, the fee of transportation from Taiwan to U.S.A is about US$400.00. Please take your speaker to Hi-Fi show in New York to compare with Joly speaker. 4.After people listen to B&W801, the would be very sad. The sign of the frequency range is no sense. The distortion and sensitivity of speakers is more important than frequency, db and wattage. The knowledge of speaker is mislead by magazine advertisement, the seller and manufacturer are afraid the consumers to be expert Joly speaker is really good, so Joly would like to tell you the truth and let you become expert. From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Tue Apr 16 07:59:32 PDT 1996 Article: 32278 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:32278 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Will the traditional speaker hurt bain nerve? Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 03:35:02 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4kv6oo$34b@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.102 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Will the traditional speaker hurt bain nerve? Please refer to the post as below: Dear Sir. I am sending this mcssage in response to your advertisement on page 185 of the April 1996 Stereophile. The Wilson WITT,B&W Silver Signature,Sonus Faber Extrema and Audio Aristry Dvorak all sound *more truly*(sic)than your Black Knight. Please send my free Black Knight speakers to: Andy Trafford Time Inc Pathfinder.... Joly*s query: Joly*s Black knight has never been auditioned by anybody. He never auditioned yet and say that. What*s problem with him ? We cannot blame him. Because he is victim! (This message was refused to put on Hi-End post From ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed Apr 17 05:47:52 PDT 1996 Article: 32344 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:32344 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Answer Andy*s illusion Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:59:01 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4l1p12$epu@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.123 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Answer Andy*s illusion Andy said he found the price of USD$6,000. for Joly*s J801L is cheaper than 10,000. which meet with our rule and it*s better than Joly*s black knight for USD$2,000 Therefore he is qualified to ask Joly to send a pair of free black knight speakers. Joly thinks Andy likes fairy tells and believe it. We hope Andy to grow up quickly. It*s nonsense for misunderstanding other people*s meaning. For this competition, It certainty compares with other brands, Black knight for USD 2,000 is better than the traditional speakers for USD$10,000 J801L for USD30,000 Is the J801L better than Black knight. Joly knows it than you. You think you found it . You shall thank your traditional speakers. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Sat Apr 20 10:29:56 PDT 1996 Article: 32479 of rec.audio.tech Xref: netcom.com rec.audio.tech:32479 Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly think sound is 4 dimensional wave. Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 03:24:07 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4l9njr$m44@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.144 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly think sound is 4 dimensional wave. Why Joly think one speaker shall has 3 dimensional sound. All of people learning physics are doubt. The people who don*t know physics object it. The reason is nobody in America and Europe such high technical country say that. What hell is Taiwan, and What hell is Joly. A laugh to dead.What a shame! Many people think Chinese in Taiwan get X thing and even present it in America. Shame! Take Joly*s X thing back! My goodness! Fortunately, Joly has been More popular in America on the other hand, it is becoming more famous-some- one else said that, because Joly has not yet been hold by American, then wobady know that it is a truth or not. We just know that there are some people in Taiwan, they are speaking ill behind Joly, they doubted and said that *Joly*s saying is not a truth, Joly*s speaker is not good enough* According to this point, Joly would like to explain our position, If Joly was not good enough We don*t need to spend time to invent this new products. Blind spot is always being a difficult in our life, so the humanbeing have to break through this point. and think about what is the main point to cause it? Just as, some people who do not believe in ghost, they always scoff, some people who said they saw the ghosts, so if you would like to change your mind, be honest, that is not so easy. but if you do it, just like to take a peice of cake. To search for and to overcome are both difficult, they will spend centuries and centuries to be find out. If you have confidence on Joly, We would like to say congratulations if you still have doubt on Joly, you had better think about it wore detail. Maybe your sense will give you a question, Joly tells a lie* This ortide has been posted on Hi-End post, but it cannot he seen on BBC. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri May 3 06:21:16 PDT 1996 Article: 33074 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE SOUND IS 4 DIMENSIONAL WAVE. Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 00:51:54 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4mbngp$p43@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.104 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE SOUND IS 4 DIMENSIONAL WAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY SAID THAT BEFORE? PLEASE LET ME KNOW. IF ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS THEORETICS, PLEASE TELL ME. BECAUSE JOLY IS NOT FAMOUSE SCHOLAR.IS IT GUILTY FOR JOLY SAYING ITS THOUGH? CAN JOLY DECLARE ON HI-END POST? THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN POSTED ON HI-END POST, BUT IT DIDN* From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri May 3 06:21:37 PDT 1996 Article: 33075 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE ENGLAND B.B.C. LEARNS FROM JOLY Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 01:33:46 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4mbpv8$pqv@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.162 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE ENGLAND B.B.C. LEARNS FROM JOLY PLEASE READ MR. KIVEN DIAL*S ARTICLE. RE: JOLY, YOU GOOFY GUY. IF YOU HAVE COMPARED TO CELLO, MBL, B&W, ETC WHY AT THE STEREOPHILE SHOW DID YOU USE FISHER RACK SYSTEM SPEAKERS AS A COMPARISON? I MEAN THE REAL CHEAP-ASS ONES WITH THE PAPER CONE TWEETER, NO CROSSOVER, ETC.! WHEN I SAW THOSE IN YOUR ROOM I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOF! OOPS... I FORGOT... YOU USE CHEAP-ASS PAPER CONE TWEETERS TOO... HOPE I DIDN*T OFFEND YOU. WHY DON*T YOU BRING A REAL PAIR OF SPEAKERS TO THE NEXT SHOW. KEVIN DEAL MR. KIVEN DIAL MUST THINK THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN*T PUT ON ANY CLOTHE IS THE MOST ADVANCED. IN FACT, HIS OLD GENERATION IS NO DRESSING. DOME IS ONE PART OF PAPER CONE TWEETER. DOME IS NOT BETTER THAN CONE WHICH STATEMENT IS WRONG. IT*S SPECULATIVE TO REACH THE STANDARD OF 2 DIMENSIONAL TEST. WHY DOME IS WRONG AND CONE IS RIGHT? WHY EVERYBODY MAKE A MISTAKE, AND JOLY IS RIGHT? LET YOU GUESS! WE DON*T GIVE YOU ANSWER! BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY SMART. THE MONITOR SPEAKERS LS 3/5 WHICH ARE DEVELOPED BY THE ENGLAND B.B.C. COSTS USD500.00 AND USES DOME TWEETER. THE LS 12/5 WHICH IS DEVELOPED BY COPYING JOLY*S J-501 AND COSTS USD3,000.00 ABOVE, BUT IT USES CORN PAPER TWEETER. THE SPEAKER*S SHAPE, SIZE,AND VENTILATION ARE SIMILAR TO J-501.THE ENGLLAND B.B.C. IS THE PIONEER OF STEREO TECHNOLOGY. WILL IT POOR THAN YOU? BB.C. LEARNS FROM JOLY. DO YOU THINK IT UNWORKABLE? From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Mon May 6 06:50:39 PDT 1996 Article: 33214 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY ANSWERS AN UNSIGNED ARTICLE Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 03:58:00 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4mjvhd$1s4@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.135 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY ANSWERS AN UNSIGNED ARTICLE JOLY HAS POSTED AN ARTICLE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF SPEAKER IN HI-END IN AN HALF YEAR AGO. BUT THE HI-END DIDN*T ALLOW JOLY TO POST THIS ARTICLE,THE MAIN REASON WAS THE THEORY OF JOLY*S SPEAKER WOULD EXPOSE THE DISADVANTAGES OF TRADITIONAL SPEAKER AND THIS DISCOVERY WOULD INFLUENCE THE SALSE DEPARTMENT OF TRADITIONAL SPEAKER. AS THE SAME AS WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE DISADVANTAGES OF CIGARETTE ,IT WOULD CAUSE THE MERCHANTS FELT UNCOMFORTABLE. THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER READ JOLY*S ARTICLE IN HI-END. RECENTLY EVEN JOLY HAS TRIED TO COMMIT JOLY*S DISCOVERY ABOUT *THE SOUND IS 4 DIMENSIONAL WAVE* TO THE HI-END, BUT THEY STILL DIDN*T ALLOW JOLY TO POST IT. ALTHOUGH THE HI-END FELT INTERESTED IN JOLY*S ARTICLE FIRSTLY. AND THE HI-END COULD NOT PROMISE US THAT THE HI-END WOULD LET THE OTHER READER RECEIVING THIS NEWS.JOLY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE HI-END COULD POST ANTHER ARTICLES OF JOLY BUT COULD NOT POST THIS ONE. FOR THIS SACK,JOLY FINALLY KNOW THAT THE HI-END SHOULD BE UNDER CONTROLLED BY SOME BIG GROUPS,THUS JOLY IS PREFER TO GIVE UP THE HI-END WOULD RATHER THAN TO POST AN ARTICLE IN A PHONY SCHOLAR CHANNEL. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!stimpy.eecis.udel.edu!chester Tue May 7 07:57:40 PDT 1996 Article: 33256 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!stimpy.eecis.udel.edu!chester From: chester@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Daniel Chester) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY's US patent Date: 7 May 1996 02:23:05 GMT Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4mmc69$mpa@louie.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.eecis.udel.edu Last week JOLY sent me the number of his US patent in response to a polite request I sent via private email. Here is a brief description of the patent, which I found on microfilm in our university library: U.S. patent number: 5,231,672 Date of issue: July 27, 1993 Inventor: Ye-Ming Tsao Title: Plane-surfaced waved out-diffusion triangular beam-typed resonant board The terminology in the patent is highly non-standard (e.g., "resonant board" means "diaphragm"), but the drawings help to clarify what is meant. The patent describes a "thin-type low frequency speaker" that is easy to produce at low production cost. This driver is circular with a flat rather than conical diaphragm. The diaphragm is made from a flat material into which corrugations are formed by pressing. A flat layer of material is then fastened onto the tops of the corrugations on one side and another flat layer is fastened onto the bottoms of the corrugations on the other side. In other words, the construction of the diaphragm is like corrugated cardboard except that the corrugation channels are concentric rather than straight. The patent compares an exemplar of this design with an exemplar of a conventional cone driver. The exemplar of the patent design has a diaphragm that is 3mm thick and is 3 1/4" in diameter. Its frequency response goes down to 45 Hz, with a deviation of +/- 6 db from 45 to 1000 Hz. The deviation is only +/- 3 db from 100 to 500 Hz. The conventional exemplar has a cone depth of 21 mm and a 4" diameter. Its response only goes down to 95 Hz and deviates +/- 5 db from 100 to 500 Hz. Nothing was said about how these drivers were baffled when tested. Daniel Chester chester@cis.udel.edu http://www.cis.udel.edu/~chester From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Sun May 12 17:29:15 PDT 1996 Article: 33514 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: CHINA TIME EXPREE ON APRIL 29 IN 1996,PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE,THE TITLE WAS*NOISY AND PIERCING CAUSING ANIMALS WITH VIOLENT ATTEMPT TO HURT.* IN TAIWAN,THERE ARE 2,400 PEOPLE THEIR SENSE OF HEARING HAS BEEN HURT BY NOISE DURING A YEAR. A TEST HAS VERIFIED THAT THE ANIMAL WHICH WAS UNDER A NOISE ENVIREMENT,ACTED WITH VIOLENT ATTEMPTED TO HURT,IN THE PUBLISH HEALTH BUREAU,......PEOPLES EMOTION AND VIOLENT ATTEMPT WERE INCREASING WHETHER OR NOT BEING CAUSED BY EXPOSING UNDER AN OPEN ENVIRONMENT TOO MUCH,IT IS WORTH TO BE NOTICED. Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:48:15 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4murds$r81@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.139 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 CHINA TIME EXPREE ON APRIL 29 IN 1996,PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE,THE TITLE WAS*NOISY AND PIERCING CAUSING ANIMALS WITH VIOLENT ATTEMPT TO HURT.* IN TAIWAN,THERE ARE 2,400 PEOPLE THEIR SENSE OF HEARING HAS BEEN HURT BY NOISE DURING A YEAR. A TEST HAS VERIFIED THAT THE ANIMAL WHICH WAS UNDER A NOISE ENVIREMENT,ACTED WITH VIOLENT ATTEMPTED TO HURT,IN THE PUBLISH HEALTH BUREAU,......PEOPLES EMOTION AND VIOLENT ATTEMPT WERE INCREASING WHETHER OR NOT BEING CAUSED BY EXPOSING UNDER AN OPEN ENVIRONMENT TOO MUCH,IT IS WORTH TO BE NOTICED. EXPOSING UNDER THE NOISE OF MOTORCYCLES AND CARS,THERE ARE 1/4 PROPORTION LOSING THE SENSE OF HEARING ABOUT 55 DV. JOLY THINK THAT IT IS TRUTH,THIS STATISTICS HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY MANY DOCTORS,SO THE PUBLIC HEALTH BUREAU DEARS TO PUBLISH IT OPENLY,HOWEVER,WE DON*T KNOW IF THE NOISE COULD INCREASE OUR BEHAVIOR WITH VIOLENT WE JUST COULD WATCH WHAT IS GOING ON,IT*S DIFFERENT TO VERIFY BECAUSE THE AUTHORITATIVE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONSERVATIVE EVEN THEY ALL KNOW ABOUT THE TRUTH BUT IF THERE ARE DIFFICULT TO STATE A OBJECTIVE STATEMENT. ON THE OTHER HAND,WETHER OR NOT THE NOISE COULD HURT OUR BRAIN NERVE SYSTEM MAKING PEOPLE WITH MENTAL PROBLEM OR BAD TEST. OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE COLD EXPERIENCE THE NOISE SOMETIMES CAUSE US FEELING FEAR RAGE AND OVERSENSITIVE BEHAVIORS JUST LIKE EVIL HAS OCCUPIED OUR MIND. FOR THIS SAKE,WE CAN EASILY EXPERIENCE THE NICE AND CLEAR SOUND COULD IMPROVE OUR CONDUCTS,CLEAN OUR BRAIN AND GIVE US PROMPT MIND. THE THE DECADENT MUSIC MAKE PEOPLE BECOME VULGAR PEOPLE SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THE SOUND WITH BAD QUALITY MAKE US FEEL DIZZY AND STOP THINKING. THUS,THE TRUTH ALWAYS LET THE SMART PEOPLE OBSERVE IT,THE FOOLISH MEN WAIT FOR AN ANSWER. THE ARTICLR AS ABOVE,JOLY HAS POSTED ON THE SEEDNET OF TAIWAN ON MAY 4. AND ON MAY 10, AT 8 O*CLOCK THE HI- END OF AMERICA REJECTED JOLY TO POST AFTER THEN THEY POSTED US THREE LETTERS AS BELW: 10 MAY 1996 00:23:16 GMT .... *YUOR ARTICLE MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOVER. PLEASE REPOST IN ENGLISH* 10 MAY 1996: 26:55 GMT...... *THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING YOUR POST THE NEWSGROUP. HOWEVER, THIS ARTICLE HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO REC.AUDIO.HIGH-END BEFORE. SUCH DUPLICATE SUBMISSIONS ARE VERY STRONGLY DISCOURAGED BY THE POSTING GUIDELINES. PLEASE TRY TO AVOID DOING THIS FROM NOW ON. IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THIS HAPPEND AGAIN, ALL COPIES OF DUPLICATE ARTICLES POSTED TO THE NEWSGROUP WILL BE CANCELLED. ONE QUESTION FROM JOLY: FROM MAY 4 TO MAY 10,JOLY JUST POST ONE ARTICLE TO THE HI-END IN ENGLISH. BEFORE THE HI-END NEVER POSTED JOLY*S ARTICLE ABOUT THIS FIELD.. From netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!fred.enteract.com!news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed May 22 08:28:50 PDT 1996 Article: 33998 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!fred.enteract.com!news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Answer to the one who would like to listen to Joly*s speakers Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 11:44:32 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4np76a$4ie@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.123 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Answer to the one who would like to listen to Joly*s speakers Please read the article from Mr. Peter Auseklis: I*ve been hearing a lot of talk about speakers on the Internet. It*s one thing to talk about speakers, but quite another to hear them. I would like the opportunity to hear Joly speakers. Are there any dealers in the Portland, Oregon or Seattle, Washington area where I could have the change to hear Joly speakers and judge for myself? Thank you! Dear Mr. auseklis, The high class speakers store is always belog to chain stores and spread all of world or joins a union and group system. They always get rid of those which is different from them. If Joly*s speakers are displayed in this kind of stores, they will expell Joly*s speakers to protect them. You can ask the store you are familiar with *Would you like to show Joly*s speakers to your customers?* You also can ask them *Did Joly get 3 invention rewards from Pittsburgh, America, Geneva. Through two years of listening test, we found Joly*s speakers can provide a clear, true and beautiful sound and can make people healthy, make brain clear. Joly proves that the traditional speaker will hurt brain nerves and also state that It*s a garbage. Therefore the traditional market expell Joly. Why the objects don*t dare to prove that Joly is wrong by the truth? We hope the consumer to ask the store to accept Joly*s speakers for audition so that Joly can prove what he said. Joly will attend the Hi-Fi show 1996*in America, New York Hilton Hotel from May 29th to June 2, 96*. Our booth no. is Br-524. Welcome to audition! Thanks! From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri May 24 08:52:21 PDT 1996 Article: 34174 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUALIFICATION TO CRITICIZE THE SPEAKER OF JOLY? Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:05:30 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4o3is7$1m9@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.156 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUALIFICATION TO CRITICIZE THE SPEAKER OF JOLY? JOLY FOUND OUT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS SCOLD JOLY OR CALLED JOLY AS A LIAR OR TREATED US LIKE A LAUGHING-STOCK,WERE NEITHER HEARING THE SPEAKER OF JOLY NOR COMPARING THE TRADITIONAL OF SPEAKER WITH THE SPEAKER OF JOLY DURING THE SAME TIME. THEY EVEN COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THE ARTICLE OF JOLY OR JOLY*S THEORY. THEY STILL CANNOT STOP SCOLDING JOLY. THE WAY WHAT THEY ACTED SEEMED THEIR NERVE SYSTEM HAD BEEN HURT,THEY THOUGHT WHO THEY ARE. A GOD ? ACTUALLY ANY ONE WHO HAS COMPARED THE TRADITIONAL SPEAKER WITH THE SPEAKER OF JOLY AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT IS THE STEREOPHONIC SOUND. JOLY WILL TAKE PART INTO THE HI-FI,HI-END SHOW IN1996.IN NEW YORK. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO JOIN US IN RM. BR 524,FROM MAY 28TH-JUNE2ND. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Mon May 27 18:15:53 PDT 1996 Article: 34259 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: Joly answers Mr. patrick T. Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 08:11:16 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4ob99l$p3a@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.115 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Joly answers Mr. patrick T. Please read the post from Mr. Patrick t. to Joly please sent me REAL,technical,peer reviewed information about what your speaker does,and also,how it creates stereo with only 1speaker. Also,please provide scientific studies that show that Joly speakers don*t hurt *brain nerve* and don*t make *hair hard* You said that you wanted people to post questions directly to your email box,so I am doing that. Unless I receive a reply from you with the information I am requesting, I am turing all of your public posting over the Attorney General for procecusion under the *Fair Trad*and *truth in Advertising*laws. Also I will persue criminal charges against you for making false claims and for your unwillingness to fulfill your part of the obligation in reference to a challenge you made. (You challenged somone to find a cheaper and better spaeker,somone did and you refused to pay.) You are clearly breaking the law in many differents areas, and are committing felonys, which carry heavy prison terms and fines, So,if you don*t want the weight of the law brought down on you,you will answer all my questions and thoes of anyone else, Also,you will immideatly fufill your obligation of your offer. Joly answer is, First one, if you still cannot give up your prejudice on Joly,and still want to sue us in any circomstances,Joly cannot stop your mind. but in fact you cannot sue Joly,if you do,it will fool yourself,if you dare not you also fool yourself again. second one,obviously you never looked for Joly*s article which we have posted before please don*t say any threatened words before you find out the truth. third one,Joly staffs will go to New York for the hi-fi show on May 28,from now on Joly will stop posting an half month. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Thu Jun 13 06:43:12 PDT 1996 Article: 35221 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE REGRET OF JOLY ATTENDANCE TO HI-FI DISPLAY IN NEW YORK Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:46:00 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4pnpof$4p7@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.162 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE REGRET OF JOLY ATTENDANCE TO HI-FI DISPLAY IN NEW YORK TWO OF THE HI-FI AND HI-END DISPLAY HELD IN NEW YORK AND KAOSHIUNG ARE FINISHED. INHENCE,WE ,JOLY,HAVE GAINED MORE RECOGNITION AND ENCOURAGEMENT,BUT TO OUR REGRET,JOLY*S SPEAKERS(MODEL QUEEN AND BLACK KNIGHT),AND AMPLIPHY,CD,7PIECES IN TOTAL ARE LOST AFTER CHECKED IN ON NW018, FLIGHT FROM NYC TO TYO. IT HAS BEEN ONE WEEK SINCE THEN,SO FAR WE DON*T GET ANY NEWS FROM NORTH WEST AIRLINE. HEREBY,WE STRONGLY COMPLAIN ABOUT NORTH WEST AIRLINE INEFFICIENCY AND DIFFERENCE TO THIS MATTER. From news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Sat Jun 15 05:44:52 PDT 1996 Article: 35326 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: RE : THE REGRET OF JOLY ATTENDANCE TO HI-FI DISPLAY IN NEW YORK Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:56:18 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4pt2bd$cg9@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.140 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 RE : THE REGRET OF JOLY ATTENDANCE TO HI-FI DISPLAY IN NEW YORK TWO OF THE HI-FI AND HI-END DISPLAY HELD IN NEW YORK AND KAOSHIUNG ARE FINISHED. INHENCE,WE ,JOLY,HAVE GAINED MORE RECOGNITION AND ENCOURAGEMENT,BUT TO OUR REGRET,JOLY*S SPEAKERS(MODEL QUEEN AND BLACK KNIGHT),AND AMPLIPHY,CD,7PIECES IN TOTAL ARE LOST AFTER CHECKED IN ON NW018, FLIGHT FROM NYC TO TYO. IT HAS BEEN ONE WEEK SINCE THEN,SO FAR WE DON*T GET ANY NEWS FROM NORTH WEST AIRLINE. HEREBY,WE STRONGLY COMPLAIN ABOUT NORTH WEST AIRLINE INEFFICIENCY AND DIFFERENCE TO THIS MATTER. JOLY HAS RECEIVED THE NORTH WEST AIRLINE BAGGAGE TRACING QUESTIONNAIRE & STATEMENT IN PROOF OF LOSS THE DAY OF YESTERDAY,JOLY CANNOT ACCEPT IT. JOLY THING THE NOTH WEST AIRLINE HAVE TO CHECK IT AGAIN. IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCEPT THE 7 BOXES DISAPPEARED WITHOUT ANY REASON. BECAUSE EVERY BOX WITH 31 KG,WHY THEY CAN BE MOVED OR TOOK AWAY UNLESS THEY WERE STOLEN. WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE TRUTH,NOT THE CLAIM. MOREOVER WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO SPEAKILL BEHIND JOLY,PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR HATRED. NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT THE PASSENGER*S RIGHT FROM THE AIRLINE,NOT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE JOLY*S SPEAKER. THANKS FOR YOUR COOPERATION. From ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Thu Jul 11 07:16:42 PDT 1996 Article: 36323 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY REPRINT AN ARTICLE FROM TAIWAN BBS STATION Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 07:24:00 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4s1v4v$87d@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.155 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 JOLY REPRINT AN ARTICLE FROM TAIWAN BBS STATION HI EVERYONE, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO POST ON THE BBS STATION AT LAST. IF YOU COULD NOT ACCEPT WHAT I SAY,I WOULD MAKE APOLOGIZES FIRST. I WAS IN THE HI-END SHOW IN KWO-SHON RECENTLY. I WAS VERY ENJOY TO LISTEN THE MUSIC FROM JOLY*S SPEAKER AND MI-CHI*S SPEAKER. JOLY REALLY MADE ME UNFORGETTABLE. THIS TIME I BROUGHT MY CD WHICH WAS POINTED OUT BY THE HI-END SHOW IN JAPAN TO TEST A MILLION WORTH OF BMW SPEAKER,IT DIDN*T LET ME FEEL DISAPPOINTMENT,BUT WHEN I STOPPED BY THE JOLY*S SHOW ROOM COULD TELL JOLY USING REGULAR WIRE AND HIS SPEAKER STILL COULD PERFORM MORE EXCELLENT SOUND THAN CELATION,AND IT JUST COST ABOUT THOUSANDS,IT MADE ME SURPRISED AND PROUD. I REALLY COULD NOT BELIEVE THIS IS OUR NATIVE PRODUCTS. BE HONEST WAS NOT GOOD AT LISTENING THE MUSIC BUT JOLY REALLY MADE ME ENJOY,EVEN JOLY USED THE SMALL ONE BUT IT STILL PERFORMED PERFECTLY. NOT ONLY THIS SMALL SPEAKER(321-L) BUT ALSO THE BIG ONE--- BLACK KNIGHT. THE BLACK KNIGHT HAS A EXCELLENT SOUND QUALITY OF 6HZ,AND SOUND STAGE WAS BETTER THAN ANOTHER. I NEVER KNEW TAIWAN*S COMPANIES COULD MAKE THIS MIRICLE,I FELT PROUD AGAIN,SO I IMMEDIATELY BOUGHT ONE. ON THE CONTARY,IN TAIWAN THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE STILL LIKE TO SPEAK ILL BEHIND JOLY,BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY---IS IT REALLY BAD? I DON*T THINK SO BECAUSE I STAYED AT JOLY SHOW ROOM FOR TWO HOURS AND I THOUGHT I GOT THE RIGHT PLACE AND FOUND A IDEAL SPEAKER.WHEN I POSTED MY LETTER TO THE BBS STATION KNEW THAT THE MOST OF PEOPLE DISLIKED JOLY FROM THIS STATION,I THOUGHT THERE WERE STUDENTS HOPE THEY COULD BE MORE REASONABLE TO TREAT JOLY.WHY DID THEY GIVE JOLY ANOTHER CHANCE? ABOVE OF ALL JUST MY OWN OPINIONS WILL APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I*M NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE BUT I CAN TELL WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG THING. From news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!news.voicenet.com!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri Jul 26 10:54:27 PDT 1996 Article: 37148 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!news.voicenet.com!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE TRUTH ALWAYS BRING HURTS Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:26:31 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4t9nu2$r3q@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.146 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE TRUTH ALWAYS BRING HURTS THREE YEARS AGO,JOLY DEVELOPED THE NEW SPEAKER AND JOLY EXPECTED THESE SPEAKERS WOULD BE POPULAR WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE THE SPEAKER OF JOLY COULD TEST THE QUALITY OF CD AND MACHINES,HOWEVER,JOLY STILL DIDN*T GET ANY RESULT. IN 1995,DECEMBER,JOLY DISPLAYED SPEAKERS IN KAOHSUNG,THERE WAS A TRADER WHO CAME FROM U.S.A. GIVEN US COMPLIMENTS AND SAID IF JOLY COULD USE HIGH QUALITY OF AMPLIFY AND THE SOUND WOULD BE EXCELLENT,HOWEVER,HIS EMPLOYEE WHO EVER HEARD THE SOUND OF JOLY SAID EVEN USED THE STANDARD EQUIPMENT AND THE SOUND OF JOLY WAS STILL BETTER ENOUGH. NEXT DAY A PERSON HAS HEARD THAT JOLY HAVE EVER SAID *IF PEOPLE ARE USED TO HEARING THE TRADITIONAL SPEAKER THEN THEIR HAIR WOULD BECOME ROUGH AND THEIR BRAIN WOULD BE HURT .* HE THOUGHT IF WHAT JOLY SAID WAS TRUTH ,IT WOULD MAKE HIM FEEL SAD. HE INVITED JOLY TO TEST HIS NEW SPEAKER FINALLY THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS SO WE DIDN*T MAKE IT. IN 1996,MAY 5TH,JOLY TOOK PART INTO THE SHOE IN KAOHSUNG AGAIN ,THERE WAS AN ELDER MAN,HE BOUGHT A SPEAKER WHICH COST 10,000 NTD(ABOUT 370.00USD) AFTER HE HEARD THE SPEAKER OF JOLY THEN HE DECIDED TO BOUGHT OUR NEW SPEAKER BLACK KNIGHT. JOLY SUGGESTED THAT HE COULD USE MORE CHEAPER EQUIPMENT AND IT WAS ENOUGH BUT HE INSISTED ON USING EXPENSIVE ONE ,IN HIS OPINION *CHEAPER* WAS NOT GOOD AT ALL. FINALLY JOLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE OTHER BRANDS WERE STILL NOT WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH JOLY EVEN JOLY CAN PROVE THE BETTER NATURE SOUND. IT MADE JOLY FEEL SAD. From news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!spring.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed Jul 31 05:57:28 PDT 1996 Article: 37390 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!spring.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: WHO CAN PROVE THAT THE SPEAKER OF JOLY IS NOT THE BEST ONE? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:23:06 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4tmj1f$ets@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.144 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 WHO CAN PROVE THAT THE SPEAKER OF JOLY IS NOT THE BEST ONE? TWO MONTH AGO,JOLY HAVE BEEN TO NEW YORK FOR THE HI-FI SHOW . DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO JOLY? JOLY WOULD APPRECIATE TO RECEIVE YOUR SUGGESTIONS,PLEASE DON*T FORGET TO POST YOUR OPINIONS TO OUR POST NUMBER AND THEN WE COULD GIVE YOU PROMPT ANSWER. ALSO WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW DID ANY BODY HEAR ABOUT ANY CRITICISM TO JOLY FROM THE MEDIA OR OTHER TRADERS DURING THIS SHOW? WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND WAIT FOR YOUR POSTING. From howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!spring.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Wed Aug 14 06:43:40 PDT 1996 Article: 37980 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!spring.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: The Celation and the American famous speakers Part 1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 22:23:03 PDT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4urcnj$96k@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="August/13/1996_22:00:01" X-NewsPoster: Acacia Mail 1.0 X-Acacia: 292012002440 Content-Length: 926 X-FullName: JOLY To: [NetNews] --August/13/1996_22:00:01 Mr. Chai is a diligent street vender who owns ATC 50,STODIO CONTROL,JEFF POWLAND and so on. It total amoung above sixty thousand NTD(new Taiwan dollar) On day he got a chance to listen to the black knight of Joly Mr. chai was floored when he came home and brought the black knight to show to his wife and then they connected the TV with black knight,they found that the sound became more clear and soft. before his wife was reluctant to accept this change and push her husband to return the black knight to Joly. finally his wife still admited the quality of black knight was good and it's worth. --August/13/1996_22:00:01-- From nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri Aug 16 06:50:36 PDT 1996 Article: 38088 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE TRADITIONAL HI-END AND HI-FI MARKET HOW TO REJECT THE SPEAKER OF JOLY Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:06:28 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4v16f4$q37@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.107 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE TRADITIONAL HI-END AND HI-FI MARKET HOW TO REJECT THE SPEAKER OF JOLY (RE THE CELATION AND THE AMERICAN FAMOUS SPEAKERS: MR., CHAI IS A DILIGENT STREET VENDER WHO OWNS ATC50,STODIO CONTROL,JEFF POWLAND AND SO ON-------. 2. THE TRUTH WAS BEEN SHOWING AFTER 7 DAYS. MR. CHAI WOULD LIKE TO RETURN THE SPEAKER OF JOLY. JOLY ASKED MR. CHAI DIDN*T YOU THINK THE SOUND OF JEFF POWLAND WAS DISTORTION WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED BY ATC50 ISN*T IT? BUT IF YOU USED THE MACINTOSH TO DELIVER THE BLACK KNIGHT THE SOUND WOULD BECOME MORE BEAUTIFUL SO WE DIDN*T UNDERSTAND WHY MR. CHAI WOULD LIKE TO RETURN IT TO JOLY. MR.,. CHAI EXPLAINED THAT HE HAD TO WORK WHOLE DAY LONG AND DIDN*T HAVE TIME TO ENJOY MUSIC,HOWEVER, THE JEFF POWLAND COULD NOT ACCEPT THIS REJECT PRODUCTS SO IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY HE HAVE TO DO THE WAY. AT FIRST MR. CHAI MENTIONED THE JEFF POWLAND WOULD LIKE TO LET HIM BECOME A AGENT. WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE IS THE MAIN REASON WHY MR. CHAI INSISTED ON CHANGING HIS SPEAKER. JOLY HAS PROVED THAT SOMEONE REALLY PUSHED US SO MUCH AGAIN. WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY WHY THEY STILL CANNOT ACCEPT US. WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE HI-FI SHOW EXPRESSING THEIR APPRECIATION TO US. From howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news Fri Aug 23 06:56:01 PDT 1996 Article: 38315 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!howland.erols.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw (joly) Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: THE ANSWER OF JOLY: UNTIL NOW THERE IS NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT JOLY WAS TELLING A LIE. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:58:48 GMT Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4vj31e$r8l@voyager.iii.org.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.101 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 THE ANSWER OF JOLY: UNTIL NOW THERE IS NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT JOLY WAS TELLING A LIE. EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP HEALTH,JOLY HAVE EVER MENTIONED THAT THE QUALITY OF SOUND CAN EFFECT OUR EMOTION AND WISDOM,THIS SUFFERING WOULD RESULT IN ROUGH HAIR AND HURT OUR EYE-SIGHT. JOLY TOLD A TRUTH BUT THE BUSINESSMEN ARE NOT WILLING TO TELL THEIR CONSUMERS WHAT THE DISADVANTAGES OF THEIR PRODUCTS. JOLY THOUGHT THAT WHY THE SCIENTIST CALLED THE SPEAKER--- *LOUD SPEAKER* MAYBE THEY KNEW THAT SOMETIMES THE SPEAKER COULD BE NOISY FOR PEOPLE. IN JOLY*S OPINONS,IT*S A WONDERFUL THING,IF PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN GOOD HEALTH. JOLY BELIEVES THAT EVERYONE WOULD MAKE A BIG EFFORT TO MAKE IT COME TRUE. FINALLY JOLY WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE DISADVANTAGES OF TRADITIONAL AND THEN YOU ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE THEORY OF DIAPHRAGM OF JOLY. From www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Fri Dec 20 18:18:48 PST 1996 Article: 44656 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: To see the brand-new Joly in the CES show '97 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 21:37:26 PST Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 15 Message-ID: <59fg4d$hm5@reader.seed.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.175.49.174 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="December/20/1996_21:24:22" X-NewsPoster: Acacia Mail 1.0 X-Acacia: 9606v30a95 Content-Length: 747 X-FullName: JOLY To: [NetNews] --December/20/1996_21:24:22 Hi! We are Joly Electronics Products Co. Ltd. We would sincerely invite you to the CES show in Las Vegas at Alex Resot room #1851 from Jan.9-12,1997. This is a fancy eletronics show in the world. We all believe that you would find something specail and unforgetable products. Do'nt be hasitate to join us. Merry Christmas! See you in Las Vegas. Joly Electronics products Co. Ltd. Our E-mail address: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw --December/20/1996_21:24:22-- From www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Mon Dec 23 06:25:43 PST 1996 Article: 44737 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: The competion In Taiwnan Date: Mon, 23 Dec 96 05:06:22 PST Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 22 Message-ID: <59livs$f9n@reader.seed.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="December/23/1996_04:54:48" X-NewsPoster: Acacia Mail 1.0 X-Acacia: 9606v30a95 Content-Length: 1141 X-FullName: JOLY To: [NetNews] --December/23/1996_04:54:48 Joly has mentioned in order to let Alpha know what is the policy of honest. WE would like to held one competition and we would offer our speaker to let you test so we would welcome you to bring you speaker to compare with our sepeaker. Firstly, the first competion will be held in the South of Taiwan. Secondly,the competition is from Dec.28-30. Thirdly, you can gring your sepaker and CD to competite with Joly. The address of the compitition as below: No.143-6,3F,Kwan chou street,Kaohsiung,Taiwan. >From this openly competition we hope everyone could know what the true knowledge is. Further we would like to know why some of colleges in Taiwan always try to stop our posting. It's obviously they all careless about the freedom of expression. We really would like to offer the best information to hte readres,why they stop us??? --December/23/1996_04:54:48-- From howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Mon Dec 30 06:41:10 PST 1996 Article: 45016 of rec.audio.tech Path: netcom.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: The internet of Taiwan university kille Joly Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 21:34:29 PST Organization: SEEDNET InterNetNews News System Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5a7761$l9o@reader.seed.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.60.163 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="December/29/1996_21:16:53" X-NewsPoster: Acacia Mail 1.0 X-Acacia: 9606v30a95 Content-Length: 880 X-FullName: JOLY To: [NetNews] --December/29/1996_21:16:53 Joly has posted many times about the basic knowledge ofhow to buy a speaker and try to guide the consumers to purchase the ideal speaker on the BBS station in Taiwan. It has caused BBS station felt unconfortable and they argued with Joly then they satirized Joly on the BBS station. In fact, they rejected our whole articles when we posted. We felt curiosity that this event can be caused by this small group and now they union some colleges to stop our posting. It's a serious thing. What does it stand for? Is Joly a devil? Who can give us an answer? --December/29/1996_21:16:53-- From ix.netcom.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Wed Apr 30 07:38:34 PDT 1997 Article: 52291 of rec.audio.tech Path: ix.netcom.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: "joly" Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: JOLY'S TWO SURROUNDING SPEAKERS IS COMING TO HI-FI '97 SHOW Date: 30 Apr 1997 07:09:32 GMT Organization: Joly Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bc5535$f27ae820$1d30af8b@aplzozsq> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.175.48.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 THE HI- FI '97 SHOW WILL BE HOLD IN SAN FRANCES. JOLY'S SHOW ROOM NO.403. WE WOULD PROVIDE THE PREFECT SURROUNDING STEREO BY ONLY TWO SPEAKERS. WHAT'S THE REAL REASONS? WELCOME TO JOLY'S HOME PAGE. URL: http://www.joly.com.tw e-mail : doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw From ix.netcom.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Sat May 3 16:22:49 PDT 1997 Article: 52504 of rec.audio.tech Path: ix.netcom.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: "joly" Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: HI-END PC SPEAKERS Date: 3 May 1997 02:59:50 GMT Organization: Joly Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bc576e$90e9ed00$7f31af8b@aplzozsq> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.175.49.127 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 JOLY HAVE DEVDLOPED HI-END SPEAKER FOR PC USER. JOLY INVITE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN STEREOS TO OUR UNIFORM RESOURCES LOCTAOR JOLY'S URL :www.joly.com.tw E-MAIL :doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw WELCOME ANY SUGGESTION AND OPINION From ix.netcom.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news Mon May 5 06:28:25 PDT 1997 Article: 52588 of rec.audio.tech Path: ix.netcom.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!news From: "joly" Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech Subject: WHY JOLY'S REPORT CAN NOT GET INTO "rec.audio.hi-end" Date: 5 May 1997 02:37:46 GMT Organization: Joly Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc58fd$d2108740$c52faf8b@aplzozsq> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.175.47.197 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 WE WOULD LIKE TO REPORT ON "rec.audio.hi-end".WE REPORDTED ON HI-END ONCE ON 04/30/97 AND THE REPORT DISAPPEAR NEXT DAY. THEN, WE TRY SEVERAL TIMES ON 05/03/97, BUT WE STILL CAN NOT GET INTO " rec.audio.hi-end". AFTER WE CHECK OUT ANY POSSIBLE PROMBLES. WE STILL CAN NOT FIND OUT ANSWER. COULD ANYONE KINLY ADVICE US "WHAT'S HAPPENED ?" E-MAIL :doctor@tpts1.seed.net.tw