>From: hermann@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.)
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>Subject: Natvan.com taken off line -- Netgate's "explanation"
>Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:14:36 GMT
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From: Scott Winders <winders@netgate.net>
To: Milton Kleim <bb748@freenet.carleton.ca>
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Milton,

What was done with the "natvan.com" domain is really none of you business.
But, I will attempt to enlighten you you anyway.

Point 1:

The National Vanguard Books web page was not involuntarily removed from our
system. We discussed this with Jack Harding, the person that setup the
account with us, and it was a mutually agreed to decision to take the
domain name and web page down. The decision has not been made as to how
long this status will be maintained.

Point 2:

The decision to take the down the domain name and web page had nothing to
do with the content. The mail generated by the Crusader spam caused our
systems great difficulties. With the interests of other clients in mind,
we decided that we need to at least temporarily take the down the
natvan domain name and web page. This decision had absolutely nothing to
do with the content of the web page. Although NetGate does not agree with
what web page has to say, we do strongly believe in their right to say it.

Point 3:

If this company proves to be responsible for this spam, we will not
hesitate to cancel all their accounts with us. We do not allow our
customers to abuse the Internet in this way.

Scott Winders
winders@netgate.net