{"id":182394,"date":"2015-10-03T19:37:00","date_gmt":"2015-10-04T00:37:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2015\/10\/03\/my-bad-frank-was-gaslighted\/"},"modified":"2015-10-03T19:37:00","modified_gmt":"2015-10-04T00:37:00","slug":"my-bad-frank-was-gaslighted","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2015\/10\/03\/my-bad-frank-was-gaslighted\/","title":{"rendered":"My Bad, Frank was Gaslighted"},"content":{"rendered":"

On Wednesday, I suggested that Pope Francis’s audience with anti-gay bigot Kim Davis was a natural byproduct of the historical imperatives of the Catholic Church<\/a>, specifically with regard to their position on gay marriage.<\/p>\n

It turns out that Charlie Pierce had this sussed out by Thursday, and ascribed this to this to the natural byproduct of over a millennia of no holds barred political machinations<\/a>:<\/p>\n

\u2026\u2026\u2026Before we continue, let us stipulate a few things. First of all, let us stipulate that there are more than a few members of the Church’s permanent bureaucracy, both within the Clan Of The Red Beanie and without, who are not happy that this gentleman got elected Pope, and who are not happy with what he’s done and said since he was. Second, let us stipulate that many members of this group are loyal to both former pope Josef Ratzinger and, through him, to the memory (and to what they perceive as the legacy) of John Paul II who, for good and ill, had a much different idea of how to wield a papacy than Papa Francesco does. Third, let us stipulate that this opposition to the current pope has been active and vocal, to say nothing of paranoid. Finally, let us stipulate that, for over 2000 years, the Vatican has been a hotbed of intrigue, betrayal, and sanctified ratf%$#ing on a very high scale. (It also has been a hotbed of, well, hot beds, but that’s neither here nor there at the moment.) So, if you’re one of these people, and you’re looking to ratf%$# the pope’s visit to the United States, and to his agenda in general, you’d be looking to put him in a box. So, how would you do that?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

We are now seeing more and more signs that conservative Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan\u00f2, who set up these meetings, set up the pope<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Ever since it became public that Pope Francis met in Washington with Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples, the questions have been swirling: Why did he meet with her, and was it meant as a political statement?<\/span>

<\/span> As it turns out, the Vatican said on Friday, the pope did not mean to endorse Ms. Davis\u2019s views. It also said he gave her no more than a typical brief greeting, despite what her lawyer described.<\/span>

<\/span> Instead, the Vatican said that Francis gave only one \u201creal audience\u201d: to someone later identified as one of his former students, Yayo Grassi, a gay man in Washington who says he brought his partner of 19 years to the Vatican\u2019s embassy in Washington for a reunion. They even shot video.<\/span>

<\/span> The disclosure, after the Vatican\u2019s unusual attempt to correct the impressions left by Francis\u2019 meeting with Ms. Davis, added to days of speculation about whether Francis intended to send a message on the place of gays in the church, or conscientious objection, and whether his advisers had fully briefed him on Ms. Davis, or had their own agenda.<\/span>

<\/span> The Vatican spokesman emphasized that the meeting with Ms. Davis was arranged by the office of the Vatican\u2019s ambassador in Washington, not by anyone in Rome \u2014 including the pope.<\/span>

<\/span> \u201cThe pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,\u201d the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said in a statement released Friday morning.<\/span>

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<\/span> The Vatican spokesman emphasized that the meeting with Ms. Davis was arranged by the office of the Vatican\u2019s ambassador in Washington, not by anyone in Rome \u2014 including the pope.<\/span>

<\/span> \u201cThe pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,\u201d the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said in a statement released Friday morning.<\/span>

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<\/span> Earlier on Friday, the Vatican said that Archbishop Vigan\u00f2 had arranged the pope\u2019s meetings in Washington, including the one with Ms. Davis.<\/span>

<\/span> The news of the meeting with Ms. Davis was disclosed late Tuesday night by Ms. Davis\u2019s lawyer, Mathew D. Staver, at the same time it was reported on the website of Inside the Vatican, a conservative publication edited by an American who has covered the Vatican for years.<\/span>

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<\/span> Mr. Staver, for his part, said he had been briefly introduced to Archbishop Vigan\u00f2 in April, when he spoke at a large rally in Washington against same-sex marriage, before the Supreme Court ruled on the issue.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So, we know that Vigan\u00f2 was present at an anti-gay marriage rally, and the Times<\/i> has some background on Vigan\u00f2<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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<\/span> The archbishop, who was exiled to the United States in 2011 after losing a high-altitude Vatican power struggle that became public in an infamous leaks scandal, now finds himself at the center of another papal controversy. This time, the Vatican is suggesting that Archbishop Vigan\u00f2 is responsible for giving papal face time to Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk whose refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples has made her a heroine to social conservatives.<\/span>

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<\/span> Mr. Staver said a conservative deacon, Keith Fournier, introduced him to Archbishop Vigan\u00f2 back in April before speaking at a National Organization for Marriage rally on the Washington Mall in opposition to same-sex marriage. As Mr. Staver descended from the stage, Archbishop Vigan\u00f2 made a point to \u201cthank me for my message,\u201d the lawyer said.<\/span>

<\/span> Archbishop Vigan\u00f2, a cultural conservative<\/span><\/b> born into a wealthy family in Varese, received the title of archbishop from John Paul II in 1992. He later joined the church\u2019s diplomatic corps, which is one of the traditional sources of power in the Vatican, and in 2009 was installed by Pope Benedict XVI as secretary of the governorate of Vatican City State, a position not unlike the mayor of Vatican City.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(emphasis mine<\/i>)<\/p>\n

Even if Francis wanted to endorse Kim Davis’s repulsive views and actions, it is highly unlikely that he would have done so in private.<\/p>\n

The evidence points to a Roger Stone style fat-f%$#ing orchestrated by Staver and Vigan\u00f2.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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