{"id":186767,"date":"2013-10-15T20:53:00","date_gmt":"2013-10-16T01:53:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2013\/10\/15\/sauce-for-the-gander-2\/"},"modified":"2013-10-15T20:53:00","modified_gmt":"2013-10-16T01:53:00","slug":"sauce-for-the-gander-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2013\/10\/15\/sauce-for-the-gander-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Sauce for the Gander"},"content":{"rendered":"

The reactionary wing of the Catholic Church, whose refrain under the reactionaries John Paul II and Benedict XVI was to say that obedience to the Pope is not optional, is now complaining that Pope Francis is considering how they feel about what he says<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Rattled by Pope Francis\u2019s admonishment to Catholics not to be \u201cobsessed\u201d by doctrine, his stated reluctance to judge gay people and his apparent willingness to engage just about anyone \u2014 including atheists \u2014 many conservative Catholics areRattled by Pope Francis\u2019s admonishment to Catholics not to be \u201cobsessed\u201d by doctrine, his stated reluctance to judge gay people and his apparent willingness to engage just about anyone \u2014 including atheists \u2014 many conservative Catholics are doing what only recently seemed unthinkable:<\/span>

<\/span>They are openly questioning the pope.<\/span>

<\/span>Concern among traditionalists began building soon after Francis was elected this spring. Almost immediately, the new pope told non-Catholic and atheist journalists he would bless them silently out of respect. Soon after, he eschewed Vatican practice and included women in a foot-washing ceremony.<\/span>

<\/span>The wary traditionalists became critical when, in an interview a few weeks ago, Francis said Catholics shouldn\u2019t be \u201cobsessed\u201d with imposing doctrines, including on gay marriage and abortion. Then earlier this month, Francis told an atheist journalist that people should follow good and fight evil as they \u201cconceive\u201d of them. These remarks followed an interview with journalists this summer aboard the papal airplane in which the pope declared that it is not his role to judge someone who is gay \u201cif they accept the Lord and have goodwill.\u201d<\/span>

<\/span>Never mind that the pope has also made clear his acceptance of church doctrine, which regards gay sex and abortion as sins and bans women from the priesthood. Behind the growing skepticism is the fear in some quarters that Francis\u2019s all-embracing style and spontaneous speech, so open as it is to interpretation, are undoing decades of church efforts to speak clearly on Catholic teachings. Some conservatives also feel that the pope is undermining them at a time when they are already being sidelined by an increasingly secular culture.<\/span> <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Gee, the shoe is on the other foot now. My heart bleeds borscht.<\/p>\n

FWIW, I think that the new Pope IS<\/b> undermining you and wants you sidelined, because he sees you as a threat to the church.<\/p>\n

Obnoxious dogmatic intolerant f%$#s are not a selling point for the church.<\/p>\n

As to any claim of morality, you lost that when you looked the other way at pedophile priests.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The reactionary wing of the Catholic Church, whose refrain under the reactionaries John Paul II and Benedict XVI was to say that obedience to the Pope is not optional, is now complaining that Pope Francis is considering how they feel about what he says: Rattled by Pope Francis\u2019s admonishment to Catholics not to be \u201cobsessed\u201d …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[978,1021,1019,979],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-186767","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","category-religion","category-schadenfreude","category-wanker"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186767"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=186767"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186767\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=186767"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=186767"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=186767"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}