{"id":187604,"date":"2011-05-02T22:20:00","date_gmt":"2011-05-03T03:20:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2011\/05\/02\/you-know-that-if-there-is-news-republicans-will-lie-about-it\/"},"modified":"2011-05-02T22:20:00","modified_gmt":"2011-05-03T03:20:00","slug":"you-know-that-if-there-is-news-republicans-will-lie-about-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2011\/05\/02\/you-know-that-if-there-is-news-republicans-will-lie-about-it\/","title":{"rendered":"You Know That if There is News, Republicans Will Lie About It"},"content":{"rendered":"

They are now claiming that torture got us Osama bin Laden<\/a>, but it’s a lie.<\/p>\n

The sources in Gitmo gave information after 2006, but they were all tortured before 2005, meaning that the information was obtained through more ethical methods:<\/p>\n

From these dates we can conclude that either KSM shielded the courier\u2019s identity entirely until close to 2007, or he told his interrogators that there was a courier who might be protecting bin Laden early in his detention but they were never able to force him to give the courier\u2019s true name or his location, at least not until three or four years after the waterboarding of KSM ended. That\u2019s either a sign of the rank incompetence of KSM\u2019s interrogators (that is, that they missed the significance of a courier protecting OBL), or a sign he was able to withstand whatever treatment they used with him.<\/p>\n

With al-Libi, the connection between whatever torture he experienced and this intelligence is less clear (since he was first detained in 2005), but even with al-Libi, it appears clear he either never revealed the courier\u2019s real name or only did so after he had been in custody for a year, and almost certainly until after he arrived in Gitmo.<\/p>\n

Update: Putting the AP\u2019s reporting here together with the DAB, it seems like al-Libi did give up the name, perhaps earlier than reported. But still not waterboarding.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Expect more lies from Republicans on this, because this is what they do.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

They are now claiming that torture got us Osama bin Laden, but it’s a lie. The sources in Gitmo gave information after 2006, but they were all tortured before 2005, meaning that the information was obtained through more ethical methods: From these dates we can conclude that either KSM shielded the courier\u2019s identity entirely until …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1102,978,1168],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-187604","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-intelligence","category-politics","category-torture"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187604"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=187604"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187604\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=187604"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=187604"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=187604"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}