{"id":190359,"date":"2009-12-06T06:26:00","date_gmt":"2009-12-06T11:26:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2009\/12\/06\/israel-looking-at-adapting-atbm-to-aam-use\/"},"modified":"2009-12-06T06:26:00","modified_gmt":"2009-12-06T11:26:00","slug":"israel-looking-at-adapting-atbm-to-aam-use","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2009\/12\/06\/israel-looking-at-adapting-atbm-to-aam-use\/","title":{"rendered":"Israel Looking at Adapting ATBM to AAM Use"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"border: 1px solid black; margin: 0px 10px; width: 400px; float: right; text-align: center;\">Click for full size<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/img121.imageshack.us\/img121\/2107\/fidae04santiagochileisr.gif\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/img121.imageshack.us\/img121\/2107\/fidae04santiagochileisr.gif\" bordercolor=\"white\" border=\"0\" width=\"390\" \/><\/a> <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Python 5 and Derby<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/img382.imageshack.us\/img382\/7516\/olmertrafael5wapz1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/img382.imageshack.us\/img382\/7516\/olmertrafael5wapz1.jpg\" bordercolor=\"white\" border=\"0\" width=\"390\" \/><\/a><br \/>Stunner with 2<sup>nd<\/sup> stage<\/p>\n<p><object width=\"383\" height=\"310\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\"><param name=\"allowScriptAccess\" value=\"always\"><embed src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" width=\"383\" height=\"310\"><\/embed><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/nWG2PkwKiaQ&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1\"><\/a><\/object><br \/>Rafael&#8217;s video Pr0n, H\/t <a href=\"http:\/\/ericpalmer.wordpress.com\/2009\/11\/30\/more-cartoons-python-5\/\">ELP Defens(c)e Blog<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p>Israel is looking at using its Stunner anti-missile interceptor as a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flightglobal.com\/articles\/2009\/11\/30\/335570\/rafael-eyes-stunner-interceptor-as-successor-to-python-derby-missiles.html\">starting point for follow-ons to their Python 5 and Derby missiles<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The Python is a 6&#8243; diameter short range (20+ km) infrared guided dogfight missile, and the Derby is a slightly lengthened version active radar guided version with with an ogive nose, and other aerodynamic cleanups (and possibly a longer motor) to achieve a range of about 50km, so replacing both of these with  one derivative of another missile is certainly in the realm of possibility.<\/p>\n<p>On the basis of the pictures here, and not much else, it appears that the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> stage of the Stunner is about the same size as the Python\/Derby.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much would be gained by developing a Python replacement on this platform, the as the missile already has excellent kinematics, as shown by the marketing video, though marketing videos should <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">always<\/span> be taken with a bit of a grain of salt.<\/p>\n<p>That being said, given the Stunner&#8217;s configuration, the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> stage has a dual pulse motor, the 1<sup>st<\/sup> stage that would not be carried in an air launched version, could give significant increases in range and lethality for any potential Derby successor.<\/p>\n<p>Here is my <a href=\"http:\/\/40yrs.blogspot.com\/2008\/06\/new-israeli-anti-kassam-missile-system.html\">earlier post on the Stunner missile<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Click for full size Python 5 and Derby Stunner with 2nd stage Rafael&#8217;s video Pr0n, H\/t ELP Defens(c)e Blog Israel is looking at using its Stunner anti-missile interceptor as a starting point for follow-ons to their Python 5 and Derby missiles. 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