{"id":194376,"date":"2008-09-27T08:07:00","date_gmt":"2008-09-27T13:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2008\/09\/27\/jsf-program-managers-get-stroppy\/"},"modified":"2008-09-27T08:07:00","modified_gmt":"2008-09-27T13:07:00","slug":"jsf-program-managers-get-stroppy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2008\/09\/27\/jsf-program-managers-get-stroppy\/","title":{"rendered":"JSF Program Managers Get Stroppy"},"content":{"rendered":"

It appears that in some computer simulations of the JSF versus late model SU-35 fighters, the F-35 got clubbed like baby seals<\/a>.<\/p>\n

All in all, this is not particularly surprising. It’s a redux of the F-105 (Lead Sled) vs. the MiG-21 of the Vietnam era.<\/p>\n

The MiG-35 has a better power to weight ratio, wing loading, and air to air weapons load out, the F-35 carruing only 2 AMRAAMs because the USAF doesn’t want a comparison with the F-22, a white elephant that they are still<\/span> lobbying for.<\/p>\n

Needless to say, the Airforce brass is thoroughly unamused by these reports<\/a>, and they are mounting a PR counteroffensive<\/a>, including claims that the simulation was an apples to oranges comparison<\/a>, because the F-35 was carrying all of its weapons internally.<\/p>\n

Dude, you carry the stuff on pylons, and you lose stealth. If you lose stealth, you will be clubbed like a baby seal, it’s the only advantage that the F-35 has.<\/p>\n

My favorite bit of this counter-offensive is this patently absurd claim<\/a>:<\/p>\n

“Advanced stealth and sensor fusion allow the F-35 pilot to see, target and destroy the adversary and strategic targets in a very high surface-to-air threat scenario, and deal with air threats intent on denying access — all before the F-35 is ever detected — then return safely to do it again,” said Tom Burbage, a Lockheed Martin vice president.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Considering that he is presenting what is called a “flaming datum”, so named because a ship burning or sinking was how U-Boats, an early form of stealth vehicle, were determined to be in the area, and then suggesting that he can return to the area and make another attack<\/span>, is absurd.<\/p>\n

Something like 50% of all sub sinkings followed<\/span> a flaming datum.<\/p>\n

In any case, it appears that as part of planning for the dual role missile, A2A weapons carriage will be improved<\/a> (paid subscription required<\/em>):<\/p>\n

The U.S. Air Force and Navy have begun talks to define the Joint Dual-Role Air Dominance Missile (JDRADM) intended to replace both air-to-air AIM-120 Amraam and anti-radar AGM-88 Harm beyond 2020 and allow the F-35 to defend itself against both opposing fighters and air defenses.<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

Separately, studies into \u201csuper-packing\u201d the JSF\u2019s bays to increase the number of weapons carried have come up with a way of loading six Amraam-sized missiles internally, according to the program office. This could be an option for later F-35 capability blocks.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So my guess is that the boyz in blue have seen the same simulations, and are looking to rectify the problem.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

It appears that in some computer simulations of the JSF versus late model SU-35 fighters, the F-35 got clubbed like baby seals. All in all, this is not particularly surprising. It’s a redux of the F-105 (Lead Sled) vs. the MiG-21 of the Vietnam era. The MiG-35 has a better power to weight ratio, wing …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1007,1008,1025],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-194376","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-aviation","category-defense-procurement","category-technology"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/194376"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=194376"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/194376\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=194376"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=194376"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=194376"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}