{"id":196933,"date":"2008-03-13T05:22:00","date_gmt":"2008-03-13T10:22:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2008\/03\/13\/clinton-and-obama-split-over-florida-and-michigan-new-york-times\/"},"modified":"2008-03-13T05:22:00","modified_gmt":"2008-03-13T10:22:00","slug":"clinton-and-obama-split-over-florida-and-michigan-new-york-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2008\/03\/13\/clinton-and-obama-split-over-florida-and-michigan-new-york-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Clinton and Obama Split Over Florida and Michigan &#8211; New York Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There seems to be a divergence of opinion on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2008\/03\/12\/us\/politics\/12cnd-delegates.html?hp\">what to do do with Florida and Michigan between the campaigns<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Basically, the preferred solution for the Clinton Campaign is to seat them as is, with a revote being second, while the Obama Campaign, favors (in no particular order), not seating the delegates, splitting the delegates 50\/50, or holding a caucus.<\/p>\n<p>Not surprising, they both chose alternatives which they believe benefit them most.<\/p>\n<p>A mail revote is eminently doable, and has the advantage of keeping the troublemaker Republicans in Michigan who vote for the weakest candidate, because mail only goes to registered Democrats.<\/p>\n<p>The time frame is doable too.  3 weeks to get the money, 3 weeks to do the printing and mailing.<\/p>\n<p>Total costs would likely be in the high single digit million dollar range.<\/p>\n<p>There is only one that I find truly offensive, and it&#8217;s not refusing the delegates seating.  After all, rules are rules, and the legislators in FL and MI knew what they were getting into when they voted for this.<sup>*<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s the 50\/50 split.  The idea behind this, and the person putting this forward is Chris Dodd, not the Obama campaign, is that the will of the voter does not matter (that <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">is<\/span> that the 50\/50 vote split means), but that the political movers and shakers get to hobnob as delegates at the convention.<\/p>\n<p>It means no democracy, but lots of corrupt patronage.<\/p>\n<p><sup>*<\/sup><span style=\"font-size:85%;\">Truth be told, I have a <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: bold;font-size:85%;\" >little<\/span><span style=\"font-size:85%;\"> sympathy for the Florida Legislators.  They had the date move attached to paper trails on ballots, which needs to be done in a state like Florida.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There seems to be a divergence of opinion on what to do do with Florida and Michigan between the campaigns. Basically, the preferred solution for the Clinton Campaign is to seat them as is, with a revote being second, while the Obama Campaign, favors (in no particular order), not seating the delegates, splitting the delegates &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1000,977,985],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-196933","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-elections","category-presidential-campaign","category-regulation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/196933"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=196933"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/196933\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=196933"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=196933"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=196933"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}