{"id":198561,"date":"2007-10-30T16:01:00","date_gmt":"2007-10-30T21:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2007\/10\/30\/how-the-international-criminal-court-might-have-jurisdiction\/"},"modified":"2007-10-30T16:01:00","modified_gmt":"2007-10-30T21:01:00","slug":"how-the-international-criminal-court-might-have-jurisdiction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/2007\/10\/30\/how-the-international-criminal-court-might-have-jurisdiction\/","title":{"rendered":"How the International Criminal Court Might Have Jurisdiction"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t normally post my emails to other lists here, but I thought this one, part of the discussion on the <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/JOINint\/\">JOINint<\/a><sup>*<\/sup> list involved enough thought (well actually enough Googling) that I should post it here.<\/p>\n<p>We were discussing a rather bone-headed statement by Tom Lantos, and some issues of international law came up.<br \/>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Ari Blumenfeld wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);\">\n<p>Dear Matthew,<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for correcting that. Are you absolutely certain about the<br \/>child-prisoners?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>At least one, and he is charged with throwing a grenade at a soldier in Afghanistan in a pitched battle and killing him, which he denies.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.boston.com\/news\/world\/articles\/2003\/11\/16\/guantanamos_child_soldiers_in_limbo\/\">This story<\/a> mentions 3 children aged 13-15, and &#8220;more than two and fewer than five&#8221; children aged 16-18.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.boston.com\/news\/world\/articles\/2003\/11\/16\/guantanamos_child_soldiers_in_limbo\/\"><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);\"><p>What other war crimes are there?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Systematic torture.  Rendition to be tortured.  The admission of torture derived evidence.<\/p>\n<p>Additionally, you have &#8220;Waging Aggressive War&#8221;, which is probably not covered, but was what some people were executed for following WW II (von Ribbentrop and Tojo).<\/p>\n<p>Of interest are some of the charges against Tojo (from the Wiki):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>count 1 (waging wars of aggression, and war or wars in violation of international law)<\/li>\n<li>count 27 (waging unprovoked war against the Republic of China)<\/li>\n<li>count 29 (waging aggressive war against the United States)<\/li>\n<li>count 31 (waging aggressive war against the British Commonwealth (Hong Kong))<\/li>\n<li>count 32 (waging aggressive war against the Netherlands (Indonesia))<\/li>\n<li>count 33 (waging aggressive war against France (Indochina))<\/li>\n<li>count 54 (ordering, authorizing, and permitting inhumane treatment of Prisoners of War (POWs) and others)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote style=\"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);\"><p>Can we extradite the Bush administration to the Hague for their part in what appears to be war crimes?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Agencies are forbidden under US law to cooperate with the ICC.  That legislation also included an authorization of the use of Military force to remove US citizens from custody.<\/p>\n<p>Of interest is the geographic range of the court (also from Wiki):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>where the person accused of committing a crime is a national of a state party (or where the person&#8217;s state has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court);<\/li>\n<li>where the alleged crime was committed on the territory of a state party (or where the state on whose territory the crime was committed has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court); or <\/li>\n<li>where a situation is referred to the Court by the UN Security Council.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Since Afghanistan is a signatory, it could apply to actions originating there, but the secret gulags in Poland would probably not be, because Poland is not a full signatory yet.  It would, however, apply to someone seized in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo or the other Gulags.<\/p>\n<p><sup>*<\/sup><span style=\"font-size:85%;\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">J<\/span>ewish <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">O<\/span>pinions, <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">I<\/span>deas, and <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">N<\/span>ews, <span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Int<\/span>ernational  It spun off from another group when it descended into right wing agitprop.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t normally post my emails to other lists here, but I thought this one, part of the discussion on the JOINint* list involved enough thought (well actually enough Googling) that I should post it here. We were discussing a rather bone-headed statement by Tom Lantos, and some issues of international law came up.On Tue, &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1032,972],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-198561","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-crimes-against-humanity","category-justice"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/198561"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=198561"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/198561\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=198561"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=198561"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panix.com\/~msaroff\/40years\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=198561"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}